What wound would be of little consequence to a biped but terrible for a quadruped?
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Let's imagine a group of people who can turn from human to wolf at will. Wolves are quadrupeds, and humans are biped, so I guess their weight is differently shared in their body, notably when they walk.
Assuming that, if one such person receives a wound in one form, it is placed in the equivalent of that place on the body of the other form, is there a place on the body that, if wounded, would prevent practical use of the wolf form while having little to no consequence to the human form?
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Let's imagine a group of people who can turn from human to wolf at will. Wolves are quadrupeds, and humans are biped, so I guess their weight is differently shared in their body, notably when they walk.
Assuming that, if one such person receives a wound in one form, it is placed in the equivalent of that place on the body of the other form, is there a place on the body that, if wounded, would prevent practical use of the wolf form while having little to no consequence to the human form?
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loss of an arm wouldnt be too bad for a biped but would totally ruin a quadrapeds balance and coordination
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– Elias Rowan Albatross
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@EliasRowanAlbatross Not even a full Arm, just a damaged hand would do it
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I am no biologist, but I guess the wolf's tail must have some sort of evolutionary advantage or it would be gone since millenias.As to what is missing in human form if the wolf's tail is severed, I'll leave it to your imagination.
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Are you looking for permanent injury or a temporary one?
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@kikirex Useless appendages don't disappear in evolution. See your appendix for an example.
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Let's imagine a group of people who can turn from human to wolf at will. Wolves are quadrupeds, and humans are biped, so I guess their weight is differently shared in their body, notably when they walk.
Assuming that, if one such person receives a wound in one form, it is placed in the equivalent of that place on the body of the other form, is there a place on the body that, if wounded, would prevent practical use of the wolf form while having little to no consequence to the human form?
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Let's imagine a group of people who can turn from human to wolf at will. Wolves are quadrupeds, and humans are biped, so I guess their weight is differently shared in their body, notably when they walk.
Assuming that, if one such person receives a wound in one form, it is placed in the equivalent of that place on the body of the other form, is there a place on the body that, if wounded, would prevent practical use of the wolf form while having little to no consequence to the human form?
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loss of an arm wouldnt be too bad for a biped but would totally ruin a quadrapeds balance and coordination
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– Elias Rowan Albatross
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@EliasRowanAlbatross Not even a full Arm, just a damaged hand would do it
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– Blade Wraith
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I am no biologist, but I guess the wolf's tail must have some sort of evolutionary advantage or it would be gone since millenias.As to what is missing in human form if the wolf's tail is severed, I'll leave it to your imagination.
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– kikirex
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Are you looking for permanent injury or a temporary one?
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– Bellerophon
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@kikirex Useless appendages don't disappear in evolution. See your appendix for an example.
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loss of an arm wouldnt be too bad for a biped but would totally ruin a quadrapeds balance and coordination
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– Elias Rowan Albatross
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@EliasRowanAlbatross Not even a full Arm, just a damaged hand would do it
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– Blade Wraith
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I am no biologist, but I guess the wolf's tail must have some sort of evolutionary advantage or it would be gone since millenias.As to what is missing in human form if the wolf's tail is severed, I'll leave it to your imagination.
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– kikirex
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Are you looking for permanent injury or a temporary one?
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– Bellerophon
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@kikirex Useless appendages don't disappear in evolution. See your appendix for an example.
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– Trevor D
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loss of an arm wouldnt be too bad for a biped but would totally ruin a quadrapeds balance and coordination
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– Elias Rowan Albatross
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loss of an arm wouldnt be too bad for a biped but would totally ruin a quadrapeds balance and coordination
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– Elias Rowan Albatross
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@EliasRowanAlbatross Not even a full Arm, just a damaged hand would do it
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– Blade Wraith
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@EliasRowanAlbatross Not even a full Arm, just a damaged hand would do it
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I am no biologist, but I guess the wolf's tail must have some sort of evolutionary advantage or it would be gone since millenias.As to what is missing in human form if the wolf's tail is severed, I'll leave it to your imagination.
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– kikirex
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I am no biologist, but I guess the wolf's tail must have some sort of evolutionary advantage or it would be gone since millenias.As to what is missing in human form if the wolf's tail is severed, I'll leave it to your imagination.
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– kikirex
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Are you looking for permanent injury or a temporary one?
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– Bellerophon
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Are you looking for permanent injury or a temporary one?
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@kikirex Useless appendages don't disappear in evolution. See your appendix for an example.
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– Trevor D
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@kikirex Useless appendages don't disappear in evolution. See your appendix for an example.
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Wikipedia says:
All dogs (and all living Canidae) have a ligament connecting the
spinous process of their first thoracic (or chest) vertebra to the
back of the axis bone (second cervical or neck bone), which supports
the weight of the head without active muscle exertion, thus saving
energy. This ligament is analogous in function (but different in
exact structural detail) to the nuchal ligament found in ungulates.
Severing that would probably be pretty unpleasant for the wolf.
If you can be a bit flexible on what you mean by 'wound', you might also consider:
Hyperthermia -- between hardly any sweat glands and also wearing a full fur coat all the time, a heat wave might keep everyone bipedal for a while.
Chemical warfare -- with their vastly-improved sense of smell, I would have to imagine that getting sprayed by a skunk, hit by tear gas, etc, is going to suck quite a lot more as a wolf.
If you have any interest in the reverse case, wolves have only-vestigial collarbones, so having a busted one is probably going to be worse for the bipeds.
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What's the importance of this ligament for a human, if it exists?
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– Spooikypok_Dev
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And if it doesn't exist in humans, a wound couldn't hurt it. (depending on your Built-World version of the werewolf.)
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– Carl Witthoft
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@CarlWitthoft: Caving is really annoying after awhile without one.
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@Spooikypok_Dev it's a bit early to select an answer. I would recommend unchecking this answer and deciding on one (maybe still this one) in 48 hours or so. This will encourage more answers.
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– Aethenosity
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what would be the "equivalent" for this wound in humans, and how much/little would it affect the person?
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Both Arms
If I incapacitate both your arms, you can still walk and run. If you turn into a wolf than you are limited to pushing your torso across the floor.
Still has a consequence for biped but not nearly as sever as that for a wolf.
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+1 Even just a broken or sprained wrist would be enough to severely slow down a wolf.
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– David K
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I can also do kung fu kicks! HWA!
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– Willk
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While this is the most obvious answer, I wouldn't say this has "little consequence" for a biped. I'm glad that you acknowledge that fact, but losing the ability to use your arms is a pretty big deal to people who are used to having arms (e.g. the vast majority of humans)
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@Beefster would it be better if only your non-dominant arm was incapacitated. The wolf would still be hindered partially by having to limp places now and as a human with one arm you can manage very well.
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– Tolure
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@Tolure yes, that would be more reasonable, but it still limits your ability to perform certain tasks as a biped. It depends on how bad the injury is. Broken arm? Yeah... probably not going to be very productive. Papercut? You can probably tough it out or move your finger out of the way.
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Tolure's answer is good.
But I wanted to add, you don't even need an injury, just heat or endurance or both. A wolf has a relatively low endurance for running or heat. A person has huge tolerance for both. The difference is that a wolf cannot sweat. And it essentially holds it's breath to run fast (True for a lot quadrupeds). Humans have sweat and can breath normally while running. A well conditioned human can outlast a wolf in a marathon.
So if your in a warm place or are required to run a very long distance very quickly, your human form might be better suited.
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Teeth
It depends on the reason. If the human wants to stop the wolf-form from doing harm then they should have all their teeth removed and have false ones made. The false teeth won't fit the wolf. They could also have implants and unscrew them at night.
A werewolf that can only suck wouldn't be too frightening.
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Don't forget nails. A wolf with no teeth is still dangerous.
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Also, I'm starting a shapeshifter-friendly false teeth business in your location very soon. You can choose between wolf teeth, which look ridiculous on humans, or human teeth, which are useless in the wolf form, but at least they don't fall out constantly, plus I'm conducting some testing on hybrid human/wolf teeth that appear human, but are substantially sharper.
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Here are some early renders of the wolf-form teeth: deviantart.com/aokitianwolf/art/…
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@John Dvorak - Keep your fingernails short! Then the worst the wolf can do is headbutt you. I was covering the case where the human is in charge of the teeth and wants to disable their own wolf-form. I don't see a wolf going to a specialist to have fangs made. They can't speak - especially without any teeth. There's nothing worse for business than a lisping wolf with no wallet.
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You really would only have to remove the eyeteeth aka canines. Plenty of people have had this done for one reason or another and it doesn't affect their ability to eat. The wolf would be severely limited in his ability to bite and tear his victim.
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Injured non-dominant hand
Barely any effect on a day-to-day life of a human besides some annoyance since most of what we do with our hands is not load-bearing, especially the non-dominant hand; this may be dependent on your character's line of work and lifestyle, though. It can even be unnoticeable to people around them when in human form.
However, an injured paw on a wolf (based on observation of injured dogs) would keep them from running very fast or with great agility due to pain.
Along the same lines,
Missing fingernails
Again not much of an issue for humans, but lack of claws would reduce the amount of grip a wolf has while running and it ability to capture prey.
Baldness
Some users mentioned that wolves can't deal with heat due to their thick coats, but let's flip it around: complete inability to grow hair.
Little to no effect on a human (baldness in men is fairly common) and we wear clothes to keep warm, but baldness would make it completely impossible for wolves to live in their natural (cold) habitat.
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A papercut on your fingertip or palm
Dogs essentially walk on their fingertips. A biped can easily avoid putting significant pressure on a fingertip or can put a bandage on them, but this isn't so nice to a load-bearing part of your body. It's equivalent to getting a papercut on the soles of your feet. Not fun and opens the door to infections and re-opening the wound as you walk.
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Broken fingers. hamans can still use their hands with one or two broken fingers, (better with a splint) but a wolf is not running on broken fingers since all their weight sits on them.
Broken toes. likewise since wolves are digitigrade and humans are plantigrade a human can walk (or limp) with broken toes, but a wolf cannot, they can't shift their weight to their heel since they don't have them.
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Wikipedia says:
All dogs (and all living Canidae) have a ligament connecting the
spinous process of their first thoracic (or chest) vertebra to the
back of the axis bone (second cervical or neck bone), which supports
the weight of the head without active muscle exertion, thus saving
energy. This ligament is analogous in function (but different in
exact structural detail) to the nuchal ligament found in ungulates.
Severing that would probably be pretty unpleasant for the wolf.
If you can be a bit flexible on what you mean by 'wound', you might also consider:
Hyperthermia -- between hardly any sweat glands and also wearing a full fur coat all the time, a heat wave might keep everyone bipedal for a while.
Chemical warfare -- with their vastly-improved sense of smell, I would have to imagine that getting sprayed by a skunk, hit by tear gas, etc, is going to suck quite a lot more as a wolf.
If you have any interest in the reverse case, wolves have only-vestigial collarbones, so having a busted one is probably going to be worse for the bipeds.
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What's the importance of this ligament for a human, if it exists?
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– Spooikypok_Dev
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And if it doesn't exist in humans, a wound couldn't hurt it. (depending on your Built-World version of the werewolf.)
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– Carl Witthoft
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@CarlWitthoft: Caving is really annoying after awhile without one.
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@Spooikypok_Dev it's a bit early to select an answer. I would recommend unchecking this answer and deciding on one (maybe still this one) in 48 hours or so. This will encourage more answers.
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– Aethenosity
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what would be the "equivalent" for this wound in humans, and how much/little would it affect the person?
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Wikipedia says:
All dogs (and all living Canidae) have a ligament connecting the
spinous process of their first thoracic (or chest) vertebra to the
back of the axis bone (second cervical or neck bone), which supports
the weight of the head without active muscle exertion, thus saving
energy. This ligament is analogous in function (but different in
exact structural detail) to the nuchal ligament found in ungulates.
Severing that would probably be pretty unpleasant for the wolf.
If you can be a bit flexible on what you mean by 'wound', you might also consider:
Hyperthermia -- between hardly any sweat glands and also wearing a full fur coat all the time, a heat wave might keep everyone bipedal for a while.
Chemical warfare -- with their vastly-improved sense of smell, I would have to imagine that getting sprayed by a skunk, hit by tear gas, etc, is going to suck quite a lot more as a wolf.
If you have any interest in the reverse case, wolves have only-vestigial collarbones, so having a busted one is probably going to be worse for the bipeds.
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What's the importance of this ligament for a human, if it exists?
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– Spooikypok_Dev
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And if it doesn't exist in humans, a wound couldn't hurt it. (depending on your Built-World version of the werewolf.)
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– Carl Witthoft
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@CarlWitthoft: Caving is really annoying after awhile without one.
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@Spooikypok_Dev it's a bit early to select an answer. I would recommend unchecking this answer and deciding on one (maybe still this one) in 48 hours or so. This will encourage more answers.
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– Aethenosity
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what would be the "equivalent" for this wound in humans, and how much/little would it affect the person?
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Wikipedia says:
All dogs (and all living Canidae) have a ligament connecting the
spinous process of their first thoracic (or chest) vertebra to the
back of the axis bone (second cervical or neck bone), which supports
the weight of the head without active muscle exertion, thus saving
energy. This ligament is analogous in function (but different in
exact structural detail) to the nuchal ligament found in ungulates.
Severing that would probably be pretty unpleasant for the wolf.
If you can be a bit flexible on what you mean by 'wound', you might also consider:
Hyperthermia -- between hardly any sweat glands and also wearing a full fur coat all the time, a heat wave might keep everyone bipedal for a while.
Chemical warfare -- with their vastly-improved sense of smell, I would have to imagine that getting sprayed by a skunk, hit by tear gas, etc, is going to suck quite a lot more as a wolf.
If you have any interest in the reverse case, wolves have only-vestigial collarbones, so having a busted one is probably going to be worse for the bipeds.
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Wikipedia says:
All dogs (and all living Canidae) have a ligament connecting the
spinous process of their first thoracic (or chest) vertebra to the
back of the axis bone (second cervical or neck bone), which supports
the weight of the head without active muscle exertion, thus saving
energy. This ligament is analogous in function (but different in
exact structural detail) to the nuchal ligament found in ungulates.
Severing that would probably be pretty unpleasant for the wolf.
If you can be a bit flexible on what you mean by 'wound', you might also consider:
Hyperthermia -- between hardly any sweat glands and also wearing a full fur coat all the time, a heat wave might keep everyone bipedal for a while.
Chemical warfare -- with their vastly-improved sense of smell, I would have to imagine that getting sprayed by a skunk, hit by tear gas, etc, is going to suck quite a lot more as a wolf.
If you have any interest in the reverse case, wolves have only-vestigial collarbones, so having a busted one is probably going to be worse for the bipeds.
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And if it doesn't exist in humans, a wound couldn't hurt it. (depending on your Built-World version of the werewolf.)
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– Carl Witthoft
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@CarlWitthoft: Caving is really annoying after awhile without one.
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@Spooikypok_Dev it's a bit early to select an answer. I would recommend unchecking this answer and deciding on one (maybe still this one) in 48 hours or so. This will encourage more answers.
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– Aethenosity
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what would be the "equivalent" for this wound in humans, and how much/little would it affect the person?
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And if it doesn't exist in humans, a wound couldn't hurt it. (depending on your Built-World version of the werewolf.)
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– Carl Witthoft
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@CarlWitthoft: Caving is really annoying after awhile without one.
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@Spooikypok_Dev it's a bit early to select an answer. I would recommend unchecking this answer and deciding on one (maybe still this one) in 48 hours or so. This will encourage more answers.
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– Aethenosity
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what would be the "equivalent" for this wound in humans, and how much/little would it affect the person?
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What's the importance of this ligament for a human, if it exists?
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What's the importance of this ligament for a human, if it exists?
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And if it doesn't exist in humans, a wound couldn't hurt it. (depending on your Built-World version of the werewolf.)
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– Carl Witthoft
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And if it doesn't exist in humans, a wound couldn't hurt it. (depending on your Built-World version of the werewolf.)
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– Carl Witthoft
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@CarlWitthoft: Caving is really annoying after awhile without one.
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@CarlWitthoft: Caving is really annoying after awhile without one.
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@Spooikypok_Dev it's a bit early to select an answer. I would recommend unchecking this answer and deciding on one (maybe still this one) in 48 hours or so. This will encourage more answers.
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– Aethenosity
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@Spooikypok_Dev it's a bit early to select an answer. I would recommend unchecking this answer and deciding on one (maybe still this one) in 48 hours or so. This will encourage more answers.
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– Aethenosity
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what would be the "equivalent" for this wound in humans, and how much/little would it affect the person?
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– Alexandre Aubrey
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Both Arms
If I incapacitate both your arms, you can still walk and run. If you turn into a wolf than you are limited to pushing your torso across the floor.
Still has a consequence for biped but not nearly as sever as that for a wolf.
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+1 Even just a broken or sprained wrist would be enough to severely slow down a wolf.
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– David K
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I can also do kung fu kicks! HWA!
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– Willk
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While this is the most obvious answer, I wouldn't say this has "little consequence" for a biped. I'm glad that you acknowledge that fact, but losing the ability to use your arms is a pretty big deal to people who are used to having arms (e.g. the vast majority of humans)
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@Beefster would it be better if only your non-dominant arm was incapacitated. The wolf would still be hindered partially by having to limp places now and as a human with one arm you can manage very well.
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52 mins ago
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@Tolure yes, that would be more reasonable, but it still limits your ability to perform certain tasks as a biped. It depends on how bad the injury is. Broken arm? Yeah... probably not going to be very productive. Papercut? You can probably tough it out or move your finger out of the way.
$endgroup$
– Beefster
47 mins ago
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Both Arms
If I incapacitate both your arms, you can still walk and run. If you turn into a wolf than you are limited to pushing your torso across the floor.
Still has a consequence for biped but not nearly as sever as that for a wolf.
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2
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+1 Even just a broken or sprained wrist would be enough to severely slow down a wolf.
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– David K
2 hours ago
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I can also do kung fu kicks! HWA!
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– Willk
1 hour ago
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While this is the most obvious answer, I wouldn't say this has "little consequence" for a biped. I'm glad that you acknowledge that fact, but losing the ability to use your arms is a pretty big deal to people who are used to having arms (e.g. the vast majority of humans)
$endgroup$
– Beefster
56 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Beefster would it be better if only your non-dominant arm was incapacitated. The wolf would still be hindered partially by having to limp places now and as a human with one arm you can manage very well.
$endgroup$
– Tolure
52 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Tolure yes, that would be more reasonable, but it still limits your ability to perform certain tasks as a biped. It depends on how bad the injury is. Broken arm? Yeah... probably not going to be very productive. Papercut? You can probably tough it out or move your finger out of the way.
$endgroup$
– Beefster
47 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Both Arms
If I incapacitate both your arms, you can still walk and run. If you turn into a wolf than you are limited to pushing your torso across the floor.
Still has a consequence for biped but not nearly as sever as that for a wolf.
$endgroup$
Both Arms
If I incapacitate both your arms, you can still walk and run. If you turn into a wolf than you are limited to pushing your torso across the floor.
Still has a consequence for biped but not nearly as sever as that for a wolf.
answered 4 hours ago
TolureTolure
5694
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+1 Even just a broken or sprained wrist would be enough to severely slow down a wolf.
$endgroup$
– David K
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
I can also do kung fu kicks! HWA!
$endgroup$
– Willk
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
While this is the most obvious answer, I wouldn't say this has "little consequence" for a biped. I'm glad that you acknowledge that fact, but losing the ability to use your arms is a pretty big deal to people who are used to having arms (e.g. the vast majority of humans)
$endgroup$
– Beefster
56 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Beefster would it be better if only your non-dominant arm was incapacitated. The wolf would still be hindered partially by having to limp places now and as a human with one arm you can manage very well.
$endgroup$
– Tolure
52 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Tolure yes, that would be more reasonable, but it still limits your ability to perform certain tasks as a biped. It depends on how bad the injury is. Broken arm? Yeah... probably not going to be very productive. Papercut? You can probably tough it out or move your finger out of the way.
$endgroup$
– Beefster
47 mins ago
add a comment |
2
$begingroup$
+1 Even just a broken or sprained wrist would be enough to severely slow down a wolf.
$endgroup$
– David K
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
I can also do kung fu kicks! HWA!
$endgroup$
– Willk
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
While this is the most obvious answer, I wouldn't say this has "little consequence" for a biped. I'm glad that you acknowledge that fact, but losing the ability to use your arms is a pretty big deal to people who are used to having arms (e.g. the vast majority of humans)
$endgroup$
– Beefster
56 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Beefster would it be better if only your non-dominant arm was incapacitated. The wolf would still be hindered partially by having to limp places now and as a human with one arm you can manage very well.
$endgroup$
– Tolure
52 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Tolure yes, that would be more reasonable, but it still limits your ability to perform certain tasks as a biped. It depends on how bad the injury is. Broken arm? Yeah... probably not going to be very productive. Papercut? You can probably tough it out or move your finger out of the way.
$endgroup$
– Beefster
47 mins ago
2
2
$begingroup$
+1 Even just a broken or sprained wrist would be enough to severely slow down a wolf.
$endgroup$
– David K
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
+1 Even just a broken or sprained wrist would be enough to severely slow down a wolf.
$endgroup$
– David K
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
I can also do kung fu kicks! HWA!
$endgroup$
– Willk
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
I can also do kung fu kicks! HWA!
$endgroup$
– Willk
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
While this is the most obvious answer, I wouldn't say this has "little consequence" for a biped. I'm glad that you acknowledge that fact, but losing the ability to use your arms is a pretty big deal to people who are used to having arms (e.g. the vast majority of humans)
$endgroup$
– Beefster
56 mins ago
$begingroup$
While this is the most obvious answer, I wouldn't say this has "little consequence" for a biped. I'm glad that you acknowledge that fact, but losing the ability to use your arms is a pretty big deal to people who are used to having arms (e.g. the vast majority of humans)
$endgroup$
– Beefster
56 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Beefster would it be better if only your non-dominant arm was incapacitated. The wolf would still be hindered partially by having to limp places now and as a human with one arm you can manage very well.
$endgroup$
– Tolure
52 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Beefster would it be better if only your non-dominant arm was incapacitated. The wolf would still be hindered partially by having to limp places now and as a human with one arm you can manage very well.
$endgroup$
– Tolure
52 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Tolure yes, that would be more reasonable, but it still limits your ability to perform certain tasks as a biped. It depends on how bad the injury is. Broken arm? Yeah... probably not going to be very productive. Papercut? You can probably tough it out or move your finger out of the way.
$endgroup$
– Beefster
47 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Tolure yes, that would be more reasonable, but it still limits your ability to perform certain tasks as a biped. It depends on how bad the injury is. Broken arm? Yeah... probably not going to be very productive. Papercut? You can probably tough it out or move your finger out of the way.
$endgroup$
– Beefster
47 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Tolure's answer is good.
But I wanted to add, you don't even need an injury, just heat or endurance or both. A wolf has a relatively low endurance for running or heat. A person has huge tolerance for both. The difference is that a wolf cannot sweat. And it essentially holds it's breath to run fast (True for a lot quadrupeds). Humans have sweat and can breath normally while running. A well conditioned human can outlast a wolf in a marathon.
So if your in a warm place or are required to run a very long distance very quickly, your human form might be better suited.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
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Tolure's answer is good.
But I wanted to add, you don't even need an injury, just heat or endurance or both. A wolf has a relatively low endurance for running or heat. A person has huge tolerance for both. The difference is that a wolf cannot sweat. And it essentially holds it's breath to run fast (True for a lot quadrupeds). Humans have sweat and can breath normally while running. A well conditioned human can outlast a wolf in a marathon.
So if your in a warm place or are required to run a very long distance very quickly, your human form might be better suited.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Tolure's answer is good.
But I wanted to add, you don't even need an injury, just heat or endurance or both. A wolf has a relatively low endurance for running or heat. A person has huge tolerance for both. The difference is that a wolf cannot sweat. And it essentially holds it's breath to run fast (True for a lot quadrupeds). Humans have sweat and can breath normally while running. A well conditioned human can outlast a wolf in a marathon.
So if your in a warm place or are required to run a very long distance very quickly, your human form might be better suited.
$endgroup$
Tolure's answer is good.
But I wanted to add, you don't even need an injury, just heat or endurance or both. A wolf has a relatively low endurance for running or heat. A person has huge tolerance for both. The difference is that a wolf cannot sweat. And it essentially holds it's breath to run fast (True for a lot quadrupeds). Humans have sweat and can breath normally while running. A well conditioned human can outlast a wolf in a marathon.
So if your in a warm place or are required to run a very long distance very quickly, your human form might be better suited.
answered 3 hours ago
Trevor DTrevor D
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Teeth
It depends on the reason. If the human wants to stop the wolf-form from doing harm then they should have all their teeth removed and have false ones made. The false teeth won't fit the wolf. They could also have implants and unscrew them at night.
A werewolf that can only suck wouldn't be too frightening.
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1
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Don't forget nails. A wolf with no teeth is still dangerous.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
3 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Also, I'm starting a shapeshifter-friendly false teeth business in your location very soon. You can choose between wolf teeth, which look ridiculous on humans, or human teeth, which are useless in the wolf form, but at least they don't fall out constantly, plus I'm conducting some testing on hybrid human/wolf teeth that appear human, but are substantially sharper.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Here are some early renders of the wolf-form teeth: deviantart.com/aokitianwolf/art/…
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
3 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@John Dvorak - Keep your fingernails short! Then the worst the wolf can do is headbutt you. I was covering the case where the human is in charge of the teeth and wants to disable their own wolf-form. I don't see a wolf going to a specialist to have fangs made. They can't speak - especially without any teeth. There's nothing worse for business than a lisping wolf with no wallet.
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
3 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
You really would only have to remove the eyeteeth aka canines. Plenty of people have had this done for one reason or another and it doesn't affect their ability to eat. The wolf would be severely limited in his ability to bite and tear his victim.
$endgroup$
– Carl Witthoft
3 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Teeth
It depends on the reason. If the human wants to stop the wolf-form from doing harm then they should have all their teeth removed and have false ones made. The false teeth won't fit the wolf. They could also have implants and unscrew them at night.
A werewolf that can only suck wouldn't be too frightening.
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
Don't forget nails. A wolf with no teeth is still dangerous.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
3 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Also, I'm starting a shapeshifter-friendly false teeth business in your location very soon. You can choose between wolf teeth, which look ridiculous on humans, or human teeth, which are useless in the wolf form, but at least they don't fall out constantly, plus I'm conducting some testing on hybrid human/wolf teeth that appear human, but are substantially sharper.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Here are some early renders of the wolf-form teeth: deviantart.com/aokitianwolf/art/…
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
3 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@John Dvorak - Keep your fingernails short! Then the worst the wolf can do is headbutt you. I was covering the case where the human is in charge of the teeth and wants to disable their own wolf-form. I don't see a wolf going to a specialist to have fangs made. They can't speak - especially without any teeth. There's nothing worse for business than a lisping wolf with no wallet.
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
3 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
You really would only have to remove the eyeteeth aka canines. Plenty of people have had this done for one reason or another and it doesn't affect their ability to eat. The wolf would be severely limited in his ability to bite and tear his victim.
$endgroup$
– Carl Witthoft
3 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Teeth
It depends on the reason. If the human wants to stop the wolf-form from doing harm then they should have all their teeth removed and have false ones made. The false teeth won't fit the wolf. They could also have implants and unscrew them at night.
A werewolf that can only suck wouldn't be too frightening.
$endgroup$
Teeth
It depends on the reason. If the human wants to stop the wolf-form from doing harm then they should have all their teeth removed and have false ones made. The false teeth won't fit the wolf. They could also have implants and unscrew them at night.
A werewolf that can only suck wouldn't be too frightening.
answered 3 hours ago
chasly from UKchasly from UK
17.7k776160
17.7k776160
1
$begingroup$
Don't forget nails. A wolf with no teeth is still dangerous.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
3 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Also, I'm starting a shapeshifter-friendly false teeth business in your location very soon. You can choose between wolf teeth, which look ridiculous on humans, or human teeth, which are useless in the wolf form, but at least they don't fall out constantly, plus I'm conducting some testing on hybrid human/wolf teeth that appear human, but are substantially sharper.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Here are some early renders of the wolf-form teeth: deviantart.com/aokitianwolf/art/…
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
3 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@John Dvorak - Keep your fingernails short! Then the worst the wolf can do is headbutt you. I was covering the case where the human is in charge of the teeth and wants to disable their own wolf-form. I don't see a wolf going to a specialist to have fangs made. They can't speak - especially without any teeth. There's nothing worse for business than a lisping wolf with no wallet.
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
3 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
You really would only have to remove the eyeteeth aka canines. Plenty of people have had this done for one reason or another and it doesn't affect their ability to eat. The wolf would be severely limited in his ability to bite and tear his victim.
$endgroup$
– Carl Witthoft
3 hours ago
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
Don't forget nails. A wolf with no teeth is still dangerous.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
3 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Also, I'm starting a shapeshifter-friendly false teeth business in your location very soon. You can choose between wolf teeth, which look ridiculous on humans, or human teeth, which are useless in the wolf form, but at least they don't fall out constantly, plus I'm conducting some testing on hybrid human/wolf teeth that appear human, but are substantially sharper.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Here are some early renders of the wolf-form teeth: deviantart.com/aokitianwolf/art/…
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
3 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@John Dvorak - Keep your fingernails short! Then the worst the wolf can do is headbutt you. I was covering the case where the human is in charge of the teeth and wants to disable their own wolf-form. I don't see a wolf going to a specialist to have fangs made. They can't speak - especially without any teeth. There's nothing worse for business than a lisping wolf with no wallet.
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
3 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
You really would only have to remove the eyeteeth aka canines. Plenty of people have had this done for one reason or another and it doesn't affect their ability to eat. The wolf would be severely limited in his ability to bite and tear his victim.
$endgroup$
– Carl Witthoft
3 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
Don't forget nails. A wolf with no teeth is still dangerous.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Don't forget nails. A wolf with no teeth is still dangerous.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
3 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
Also, I'm starting a shapeshifter-friendly false teeth business in your location very soon. You can choose between wolf teeth, which look ridiculous on humans, or human teeth, which are useless in the wolf form, but at least they don't fall out constantly, plus I'm conducting some testing on hybrid human/wolf teeth that appear human, but are substantially sharper.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Also, I'm starting a shapeshifter-friendly false teeth business in your location very soon. You can choose between wolf teeth, which look ridiculous on humans, or human teeth, which are useless in the wolf form, but at least they don't fall out constantly, plus I'm conducting some testing on hybrid human/wolf teeth that appear human, but are substantially sharper.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Here are some early renders of the wolf-form teeth: deviantart.com/aokitianwolf/art/…
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Here are some early renders of the wolf-form teeth: deviantart.com/aokitianwolf/art/…
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
3 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
@John Dvorak - Keep your fingernails short! Then the worst the wolf can do is headbutt you. I was covering the case where the human is in charge of the teeth and wants to disable their own wolf-form. I don't see a wolf going to a specialist to have fangs made. They can't speak - especially without any teeth. There's nothing worse for business than a lisping wolf with no wallet.
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
@John Dvorak - Keep your fingernails short! Then the worst the wolf can do is headbutt you. I was covering the case where the human is in charge of the teeth and wants to disable their own wolf-form. I don't see a wolf going to a specialist to have fangs made. They can't speak - especially without any teeth. There's nothing worse for business than a lisping wolf with no wallet.
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
3 hours ago
2
2
$begingroup$
You really would only have to remove the eyeteeth aka canines. Plenty of people have had this done for one reason or another and it doesn't affect their ability to eat. The wolf would be severely limited in his ability to bite and tear his victim.
$endgroup$
– Carl Witthoft
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
You really would only have to remove the eyeteeth aka canines. Plenty of people have had this done for one reason or another and it doesn't affect their ability to eat. The wolf would be severely limited in his ability to bite and tear his victim.
$endgroup$
– Carl Witthoft
3 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Injured non-dominant hand
Barely any effect on a day-to-day life of a human besides some annoyance since most of what we do with our hands is not load-bearing, especially the non-dominant hand; this may be dependent on your character's line of work and lifestyle, though. It can even be unnoticeable to people around them when in human form.
However, an injured paw on a wolf (based on observation of injured dogs) would keep them from running very fast or with great agility due to pain.
Along the same lines,
Missing fingernails
Again not much of an issue for humans, but lack of claws would reduce the amount of grip a wolf has while running and it ability to capture prey.
Baldness
Some users mentioned that wolves can't deal with heat due to their thick coats, but let's flip it around: complete inability to grow hair.
Little to no effect on a human (baldness in men is fairly common) and we wear clothes to keep warm, but baldness would make it completely impossible for wolves to live in their natural (cold) habitat.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Injured non-dominant hand
Barely any effect on a day-to-day life of a human besides some annoyance since most of what we do with our hands is not load-bearing, especially the non-dominant hand; this may be dependent on your character's line of work and lifestyle, though. It can even be unnoticeable to people around them when in human form.
However, an injured paw on a wolf (based on observation of injured dogs) would keep them from running very fast or with great agility due to pain.
Along the same lines,
Missing fingernails
Again not much of an issue for humans, but lack of claws would reduce the amount of grip a wolf has while running and it ability to capture prey.
Baldness
Some users mentioned that wolves can't deal with heat due to their thick coats, but let's flip it around: complete inability to grow hair.
Little to no effect on a human (baldness in men is fairly common) and we wear clothes to keep warm, but baldness would make it completely impossible for wolves to live in their natural (cold) habitat.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Injured non-dominant hand
Barely any effect on a day-to-day life of a human besides some annoyance since most of what we do with our hands is not load-bearing, especially the non-dominant hand; this may be dependent on your character's line of work and lifestyle, though. It can even be unnoticeable to people around them when in human form.
However, an injured paw on a wolf (based on observation of injured dogs) would keep them from running very fast or with great agility due to pain.
Along the same lines,
Missing fingernails
Again not much of an issue for humans, but lack of claws would reduce the amount of grip a wolf has while running and it ability to capture prey.
Baldness
Some users mentioned that wolves can't deal with heat due to their thick coats, but let's flip it around: complete inability to grow hair.
Little to no effect on a human (baldness in men is fairly common) and we wear clothes to keep warm, but baldness would make it completely impossible for wolves to live in their natural (cold) habitat.
$endgroup$
Injured non-dominant hand
Barely any effect on a day-to-day life of a human besides some annoyance since most of what we do with our hands is not load-bearing, especially the non-dominant hand; this may be dependent on your character's line of work and lifestyle, though. It can even be unnoticeable to people around them when in human form.
However, an injured paw on a wolf (based on observation of injured dogs) would keep them from running very fast or with great agility due to pain.
Along the same lines,
Missing fingernails
Again not much of an issue for humans, but lack of claws would reduce the amount of grip a wolf has while running and it ability to capture prey.
Baldness
Some users mentioned that wolves can't deal with heat due to their thick coats, but let's flip it around: complete inability to grow hair.
Little to no effect on a human (baldness in men is fairly common) and we wear clothes to keep warm, but baldness would make it completely impossible for wolves to live in their natural (cold) habitat.
edited 41 mins ago
answered 1 hour ago
Alexandre AubreyAlexandre Aubrey
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A papercut on your fingertip or palm
Dogs essentially walk on their fingertips. A biped can easily avoid putting significant pressure on a fingertip or can put a bandage on them, but this isn't so nice to a load-bearing part of your body. It's equivalent to getting a papercut on the soles of your feet. Not fun and opens the door to infections and re-opening the wound as you walk.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
A papercut on your fingertip or palm
Dogs essentially walk on their fingertips. A biped can easily avoid putting significant pressure on a fingertip or can put a bandage on them, but this isn't so nice to a load-bearing part of your body. It's equivalent to getting a papercut on the soles of your feet. Not fun and opens the door to infections and re-opening the wound as you walk.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
A papercut on your fingertip or palm
Dogs essentially walk on their fingertips. A biped can easily avoid putting significant pressure on a fingertip or can put a bandage on them, but this isn't so nice to a load-bearing part of your body. It's equivalent to getting a papercut on the soles of your feet. Not fun and opens the door to infections and re-opening the wound as you walk.
$endgroup$
A papercut on your fingertip or palm
Dogs essentially walk on their fingertips. A biped can easily avoid putting significant pressure on a fingertip or can put a bandage on them, but this isn't so nice to a load-bearing part of your body. It's equivalent to getting a papercut on the soles of your feet. Not fun and opens the door to infections and re-opening the wound as you walk.
answered 41 mins ago
BeefsterBeefster
1727
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$begingroup$
Broken fingers. hamans can still use their hands with one or two broken fingers, (better with a splint) but a wolf is not running on broken fingers since all their weight sits on them.
Broken toes. likewise since wolves are digitigrade and humans are plantigrade a human can walk (or limp) with broken toes, but a wolf cannot, they can't shift their weight to their heel since they don't have them.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Broken fingers. hamans can still use their hands with one or two broken fingers, (better with a splint) but a wolf is not running on broken fingers since all their weight sits on them.
Broken toes. likewise since wolves are digitigrade and humans are plantigrade a human can walk (or limp) with broken toes, but a wolf cannot, they can't shift their weight to their heel since they don't have them.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Broken fingers. hamans can still use their hands with one or two broken fingers, (better with a splint) but a wolf is not running on broken fingers since all their weight sits on them.
Broken toes. likewise since wolves are digitigrade and humans are plantigrade a human can walk (or limp) with broken toes, but a wolf cannot, they can't shift their weight to their heel since they don't have them.
$endgroup$
Broken fingers. hamans can still use their hands with one or two broken fingers, (better with a splint) but a wolf is not running on broken fingers since all their weight sits on them.
Broken toes. likewise since wolves are digitigrade and humans are plantigrade a human can walk (or limp) with broken toes, but a wolf cannot, they can't shift their weight to their heel since they don't have them.
answered 34 secs ago
JohnJohn
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loss of an arm wouldnt be too bad for a biped but would totally ruin a quadrapeds balance and coordination
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– Elias Rowan Albatross
4 hours ago
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@EliasRowanAlbatross Not even a full Arm, just a damaged hand would do it
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– Blade Wraith
4 hours ago
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I am no biologist, but I guess the wolf's tail must have some sort of evolutionary advantage or it would be gone since millenias.As to what is missing in human form if the wolf's tail is severed, I'll leave it to your imagination.
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– kikirex
3 hours ago
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Are you looking for permanent injury or a temporary one?
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– Bellerophon
3 hours ago
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@kikirex Useless appendages don't disappear in evolution. See your appendix for an example.
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– Trevor D
3 hours ago