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I've worked at my current company for about 2 years now as a software developer. It is a medium to big company with a solid grasp on the market. Also, it is a really cool workplace and is pretty pleasant in general, except the pay. My initial salary was about 30% lower than the average where I live. Recently, I started looking for other job opportunities and got a offer to join a startup. The salary there is right around the average, so 30% more than my current salary.



With this offer, I approached my manager and told him that I was considering leaving, and that the money was the decisive, and only, reason. He quickly asked for a number and said he would get it done by the end of the week, which he actually did. He said that I was a very valuable member to the team, and that they could not afford to lose me for something so small as a raise. During the weekend though, I received another offer from a different company, and the salary is around 30% more than I get even with the raise. The company is regarded as the best tech company to work for in Brasil, and I'm considering them as an option.



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  • It is completely and totally normal and expected, that, staff leave immediately after getting a raise. it is literally "when staff leave". It would be like asking "is it unusual to not work on Sunday" :)

    – Fattie
    18 hours ago








  • 14





    Burn a bridge to where? Returning to the employer you are leaving? Do you really care about keeping that option open, if money is leading in your pick of employer?

    – Abigail
    18 hours ago






  • 2





    "Will I burn a bridge by leaving right after asking for a substantial raise so i would not leave?" - probably. You can only go to the "pay me more because someone else will" well so many times before the company decides to stop playing that game. You need to decide if you care or not.

    – Joe Strazzere
    16 hours ago








  • 10





    What you can take from these events is that your current company isn't paying you what you're worth. They only match what others are willing to pay. You should be worth more to your current company than to any other company, because of your in-depth knowledge of the company and their product and team and internals and whatnot. But they lowball you, reluctantly matching what others are willing to pay, and for just this, I would already leave them.

    – Alexander
    15 hours ago






  • 2





    A thing mentioned often on other similar questions: you might not want to feel super secure in your new pay at the old job, anyway. "Give him a raise until we can find a cheaper replacement for him to train" is definitely a thing that happens.

    – Daniel Wagner
    12 hours ago
















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Some context:



I've worked at my current company for about 2 years now as a software developer. It is a medium to big company with a solid grasp on the market. Also, it is a really cool workplace and is pretty pleasant in general, except the pay. My initial salary was about 30% lower than the average where I live. Recently, I started looking for other job opportunities and got a offer to join a startup. The salary there is right around the average, so 30% more than my current salary.



With this offer, I approached my manager and told him that I was considering leaving, and that the money was the decisive, and only, reason. He quickly asked for a number and said he would get it done by the end of the week, which he actually did. He said that I was a very valuable member to the team, and that they could not afford to lose me for something so small as a raise. During the weekend though, I received another offer from a different company, and the salary is around 30% more than I get even with the raise. The company is regarded as the best tech company to work for in Brasil, and I'm considering them as an option.



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  • It is completely and totally normal and expected, that, staff leave immediately after getting a raise. it is literally "when staff leave". It would be like asking "is it unusual to not work on Sunday" :)

    – Fattie
    18 hours ago








  • 14





    Burn a bridge to where? Returning to the employer you are leaving? Do you really care about keeping that option open, if money is leading in your pick of employer?

    – Abigail
    18 hours ago






  • 2





    "Will I burn a bridge by leaving right after asking for a substantial raise so i would not leave?" - probably. You can only go to the "pay me more because someone else will" well so many times before the company decides to stop playing that game. You need to decide if you care or not.

    – Joe Strazzere
    16 hours ago








  • 10





    What you can take from these events is that your current company isn't paying you what you're worth. They only match what others are willing to pay. You should be worth more to your current company than to any other company, because of your in-depth knowledge of the company and their product and team and internals and whatnot. But they lowball you, reluctantly matching what others are willing to pay, and for just this, I would already leave them.

    – Alexander
    15 hours ago






  • 2





    A thing mentioned often on other similar questions: you might not want to feel super secure in your new pay at the old job, anyway. "Give him a raise until we can find a cheaper replacement for him to train" is definitely a thing that happens.

    – Daniel Wagner
    12 hours ago














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I've worked at my current company for about 2 years now as a software developer. It is a medium to big company with a solid grasp on the market. Also, it is a really cool workplace and is pretty pleasant in general, except the pay. My initial salary was about 30% lower than the average where I live. Recently, I started looking for other job opportunities and got a offer to join a startup. The salary there is right around the average, so 30% more than my current salary.



With this offer, I approached my manager and told him that I was considering leaving, and that the money was the decisive, and only, reason. He quickly asked for a number and said he would get it done by the end of the week, which he actually did. He said that I was a very valuable member to the team, and that they could not afford to lose me for something so small as a raise. During the weekend though, I received another offer from a different company, and the salary is around 30% more than I get even with the raise. The company is regarded as the best tech company to work for in Brasil, and I'm considering them as an option.



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I've worked at my current company for about 2 years now as a software developer. It is a medium to big company with a solid grasp on the market. Also, it is a really cool workplace and is pretty pleasant in general, except the pay. My initial salary was about 30% lower than the average where I live. Recently, I started looking for other job opportunities and got a offer to join a startup. The salary there is right around the average, so 30% more than my current salary.



With this offer, I approached my manager and told him that I was considering leaving, and that the money was the decisive, and only, reason. He quickly asked for a number and said he would get it done by the end of the week, which he actually did. He said that I was a very valuable member to the team, and that they could not afford to lose me for something so small as a raise. During the weekend though, I received another offer from a different company, and the salary is around 30% more than I get even with the raise. The company is regarded as the best tech company to work for in Brasil, and I'm considering them as an option.



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  • It is completely and totally normal and expected, that, staff leave immediately after getting a raise. it is literally "when staff leave". It would be like asking "is it unusual to not work on Sunday" :)

    – Fattie
    18 hours ago








  • 14





    Burn a bridge to where? Returning to the employer you are leaving? Do you really care about keeping that option open, if money is leading in your pick of employer?

    – Abigail
    18 hours ago






  • 2





    "Will I burn a bridge by leaving right after asking for a substantial raise so i would not leave?" - probably. You can only go to the "pay me more because someone else will" well so many times before the company decides to stop playing that game. You need to decide if you care or not.

    – Joe Strazzere
    16 hours ago








  • 10





    What you can take from these events is that your current company isn't paying you what you're worth. They only match what others are willing to pay. You should be worth more to your current company than to any other company, because of your in-depth knowledge of the company and their product and team and internals and whatnot. But they lowball you, reluctantly matching what others are willing to pay, and for just this, I would already leave them.

    – Alexander
    15 hours ago






  • 2





    A thing mentioned often on other similar questions: you might not want to feel super secure in your new pay at the old job, anyway. "Give him a raise until we can find a cheaper replacement for him to train" is definitely a thing that happens.

    – Daniel Wagner
    12 hours ago



















  • It is completely and totally normal and expected, that, staff leave immediately after getting a raise. it is literally "when staff leave". It would be like asking "is it unusual to not work on Sunday" :)

    – Fattie
    18 hours ago








  • 14





    Burn a bridge to where? Returning to the employer you are leaving? Do you really care about keeping that option open, if money is leading in your pick of employer?

    – Abigail
    18 hours ago






  • 2





    "Will I burn a bridge by leaving right after asking for a substantial raise so i would not leave?" - probably. You can only go to the "pay me more because someone else will" well so many times before the company decides to stop playing that game. You need to decide if you care or not.

    – Joe Strazzere
    16 hours ago








  • 10





    What you can take from these events is that your current company isn't paying you what you're worth. They only match what others are willing to pay. You should be worth more to your current company than to any other company, because of your in-depth knowledge of the company and their product and team and internals and whatnot. But they lowball you, reluctantly matching what others are willing to pay, and for just this, I would already leave them.

    – Alexander
    15 hours ago






  • 2





    A thing mentioned often on other similar questions: you might not want to feel super secure in your new pay at the old job, anyway. "Give him a raise until we can find a cheaper replacement for him to train" is definitely a thing that happens.

    – Daniel Wagner
    12 hours ago

















It is completely and totally normal and expected, that, staff leave immediately after getting a raise. it is literally "when staff leave". It would be like asking "is it unusual to not work on Sunday" :)

– Fattie
18 hours ago







It is completely and totally normal and expected, that, staff leave immediately after getting a raise. it is literally "when staff leave". It would be like asking "is it unusual to not work on Sunday" :)

– Fattie
18 hours ago






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Burn a bridge to where? Returning to the employer you are leaving? Do you really care about keeping that option open, if money is leading in your pick of employer?

– Abigail
18 hours ago





Burn a bridge to where? Returning to the employer you are leaving? Do you really care about keeping that option open, if money is leading in your pick of employer?

– Abigail
18 hours ago




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"Will I burn a bridge by leaving right after asking for a substantial raise so i would not leave?" - probably. You can only go to the "pay me more because someone else will" well so many times before the company decides to stop playing that game. You need to decide if you care or not.

– Joe Strazzere
16 hours ago







"Will I burn a bridge by leaving right after asking for a substantial raise so i would not leave?" - probably. You can only go to the "pay me more because someone else will" well so many times before the company decides to stop playing that game. You need to decide if you care or not.

– Joe Strazzere
16 hours ago






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10





What you can take from these events is that your current company isn't paying you what you're worth. They only match what others are willing to pay. You should be worth more to your current company than to any other company, because of your in-depth knowledge of the company and their product and team and internals and whatnot. But they lowball you, reluctantly matching what others are willing to pay, and for just this, I would already leave them.

– Alexander
15 hours ago





What you can take from these events is that your current company isn't paying you what you're worth. They only match what others are willing to pay. You should be worth more to your current company than to any other company, because of your in-depth knowledge of the company and their product and team and internals and whatnot. But they lowball you, reluctantly matching what others are willing to pay, and for just this, I would already leave them.

– Alexander
15 hours ago




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A thing mentioned often on other similar questions: you might not want to feel super secure in your new pay at the old job, anyway. "Give him a raise until we can find a cheaper replacement for him to train" is definitely a thing that happens.

– Daniel Wagner
12 hours ago





A thing mentioned often on other similar questions: you might not want to feel super secure in your new pay at the old job, anyway. "Give him a raise until we can find a cheaper replacement for him to train" is definitely a thing that happens.

– Daniel Wagner
12 hours ago










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Simply state,




"Boss, you wouldn't believe it. I'm making 6. You kindly offered me 7. Out of the blue on the weekend XYZ offered me 8! No kidding - here, you can see the offer. I want you to understand I'm NOT trying to play you for more money. I am definitely taking the "8" offer. Thanks for the great years! Have another Caipirinha man!"




End of story.



This is totally and completely uninteresting in the world of software. No issues.



As you say you don't want to "be rude" so just make it totally clear that you are NOT looking for yet another offer.



Your old boss will appreciate you being decisive, truthful, frank and crisp.



Done!






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  • why can't he open the negotiation with his current company after he got a better offer? is this somehow unprofessional?

    – Homerothompson
    18 hours ago






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    And perhaps have a Caipirinha before he goes to talk to his boss, to settle the nerves. :-)

    – Peter K.
    18 hours ago






  • 3





    @Homerothompson (1) the current company is a KNOWN LOW-PAYER. what OP must do is RUN. (2) actually YES, it would be uncool to "make it a negotiation". firmly state you are leaving. OK, maybe incredibly they will come back with yet another offer, but there is no chance of that in reality so don't "make it a negotiation". Take the high ground and state you are leaving.

    – Fattie
    17 hours ago






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    Their boss will also appreciate them not trying to gauge them for more money right after they did give them what OP asked for few days before since OP is concerned with not burning bridges also. For once I ll agree with @Fattie

    – Leon
    17 hours ago













  • @Leon , I send crates of wine to those who agree - hence all the upvotes! :)

    – Fattie
    13 hours ago



















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Communicate.



Talk to your manager and explain again that you have had an even better offer. Show him proof if needed (and willing of course). He may say he'll match it, you may be able to negotiate higher e.g. 10% but you still have to make the choice, Is that 10% more important or is joining




The company is regarded as the best tech company to work on Brasil




You need to decide whether you enjoy your current job/role enough to stay and potentially negotiate an even higher salary. Or get this massive opportunity on your resume. With your statement above I assume this company has good reputation and is highly commendable as a company.



To me, your current company will not likely increase your salary above the offer. Maybe match it, but not top it. Then you also have the reputation of this company behind you. To me it's an obvious choice on what I would be choosing.



You won't be burning any bridges at all, your manager will understand why you have made the choice. If they can't beat the offer they have to let you go. Your manager clearly thinks highly of you so you will still have that strong relationship between yourselves if ever required for whatever reason.






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  • Feels kinda dishonest to go back for more when you just did that. Imo its either leave or stay as is. OP would be the first one on the chopping board for replacement asap if he tries to pull this twice, let alone twice in a row.

    – Leon
    17 hours ago











  • @Leon How is it dishonest? The newer offer will have a date and a salary. The manager will clearly see that it's not made up. You'll cause more damage if you just leave. Especially when OP stated that the only reason he was debating leaving was because of the money and only the money. Now the manager matched it and he's still leaving?

    – Twyxz
    17 hours ago








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    @Leon I disagree...it's not dishonesty. How long do you feel is appropriate enough to take the decision of leaving after a raise? A month? Two? Six months? A year? It's subjective and varies.

    – Sourav Ghosh
    17 hours ago






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    @Leon Both options are valid options. I wouldn't say Fattie's answer is particularly bad. Just not my choice of play based off the relationship and respect that OP has with their manager.

    – Twyxz
    17 hours ago






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    @Leon I do not see the difference between (1) accepting raise and leaving and (2) accepting raise and asking for raise again. In both the cases, you are defying the cause of the first raise, so I dont see how they may appear any different. Rather, asking for another raise may depict that you are still interested in the organization and the work / role - it's just that you have a higher market value and if the organization values you, they should match your expectations.

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You might burn a bridge in this case.



You gave your manager a specific number so that he could retain you ( you mentioned to him that money is the only reason for you considering leaving ). He then promised to give you exactly what you asked for and delivered on his promise ( who knows how many hoops he had to go through to fulfill your request ). And now you will go to him and tell him that money actually wasn't the only thing that mattered.



I can see some managers being upset at losing an employee in this manner.



Regardless, I don't think that burning bridges matters much in this case. A substantially better opportunity has come along ( best tech company and much better pay ) and those opportunities don't come around frequently. I would take that offer even if it means burning a bridge with your current manager. He may be upset, but at the end of the day he will understand that you made the right decision.






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    The new offer is from a completely different company. The first offer was just more money ("I like working here, but the pay sucks"). The second is (even) more money and prestige ("I like working here, the pay is about average, but wait what, Google wants me for 30% more than I'm making now? Yes please!"). A second pay raise to match the second offer might be enough to keep you around, but you know you aren't likely to get it as you just got one.

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Your company was significantly underpaying you, for years, and they knew it. When you pointed it out, they offered you a raise, which is (kind of) nice of them (if you overlook all you lost before). But now you have an opportunity to be decently paid from the start. Take it!



In any case, staying after setting up a bidding war over salary rarely comes to a good end, you're now marked as a flight risk and your career in this place is inherently limited. If you don't go now, chances are they'll push you out in fairly short order. And if you still love them after you work elsewhere, you can always come back, for even more money, later, that's a different setup. But once you show a higher offer to your employer you pretty much have to leave.






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    You won't burn any bridges. When people start looking around for options, this is not uncommon to happen.



    If you ever go back to the company (which rarely happens) or for the same boss in a different company (also rare), you'll be considered for your merits and this incident won't matter. Go ahead and take the best offer you can get.



    Also, don't ask your current employer to simply match the new offer. Ask 10% over that and see what happens. You have nothing to lose.






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    • I disagree in this specific case. His boss went out of his way and probably had to pull in a few favors to get this deal done. Now he leaves anyway.

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    Simply state,




    "Boss, you wouldn't believe it. I'm making 6. You kindly offered me 7. Out of the blue on the weekend XYZ offered me 8! No kidding - here, you can see the offer. I want you to understand I'm NOT trying to play you for more money. I am definitely taking the "8" offer. Thanks for the great years! Have another Caipirinha man!"




    End of story.



    This is totally and completely uninteresting in the world of software. No issues.



    As you say you don't want to "be rude" so just make it totally clear that you are NOT looking for yet another offer.



    Your old boss will appreciate you being decisive, truthful, frank and crisp.



    Done!






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    • why can't he open the negotiation with his current company after he got a better offer? is this somehow unprofessional?

      – Homerothompson
      18 hours ago






    • 7





      And perhaps have a Caipirinha before he goes to talk to his boss, to settle the nerves. :-)

      – Peter K.
      18 hours ago






    • 3





      @Homerothompson (1) the current company is a KNOWN LOW-PAYER. what OP must do is RUN. (2) actually YES, it would be uncool to "make it a negotiation". firmly state you are leaving. OK, maybe incredibly they will come back with yet another offer, but there is no chance of that in reality so don't "make it a negotiation". Take the high ground and state you are leaving.

      – Fattie
      17 hours ago






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      Their boss will also appreciate them not trying to gauge them for more money right after they did give them what OP asked for few days before since OP is concerned with not burning bridges also. For once I ll agree with @Fattie

      – Leon
      17 hours ago













    • @Leon , I send crates of wine to those who agree - hence all the upvotes! :)

      – Fattie
      13 hours ago
















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    Simply state,




    "Boss, you wouldn't believe it. I'm making 6. You kindly offered me 7. Out of the blue on the weekend XYZ offered me 8! No kidding - here, you can see the offer. I want you to understand I'm NOT trying to play you for more money. I am definitely taking the "8" offer. Thanks for the great years! Have another Caipirinha man!"




    End of story.



    This is totally and completely uninteresting in the world of software. No issues.



    As you say you don't want to "be rude" so just make it totally clear that you are NOT looking for yet another offer.



    Your old boss will appreciate you being decisive, truthful, frank and crisp.



    Done!






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    • why can't he open the negotiation with his current company after he got a better offer? is this somehow unprofessional?

      – Homerothompson
      18 hours ago






    • 7





      And perhaps have a Caipirinha before he goes to talk to his boss, to settle the nerves. :-)

      – Peter K.
      18 hours ago






    • 3





      @Homerothompson (1) the current company is a KNOWN LOW-PAYER. what OP must do is RUN. (2) actually YES, it would be uncool to "make it a negotiation". firmly state you are leaving. OK, maybe incredibly they will come back with yet another offer, but there is no chance of that in reality so don't "make it a negotiation". Take the high ground and state you are leaving.

      – Fattie
      17 hours ago






    • 6





      Their boss will also appreciate them not trying to gauge them for more money right after they did give them what OP asked for few days before since OP is concerned with not burning bridges also. For once I ll agree with @Fattie

      – Leon
      17 hours ago













    • @Leon , I send crates of wine to those who agree - hence all the upvotes! :)

      – Fattie
      13 hours ago














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    Simply state,




    "Boss, you wouldn't believe it. I'm making 6. You kindly offered me 7. Out of the blue on the weekend XYZ offered me 8! No kidding - here, you can see the offer. I want you to understand I'm NOT trying to play you for more money. I am definitely taking the "8" offer. Thanks for the great years! Have another Caipirinha man!"




    End of story.



    This is totally and completely uninteresting in the world of software. No issues.



    As you say you don't want to "be rude" so just make it totally clear that you are NOT looking for yet another offer.



    Your old boss will appreciate you being decisive, truthful, frank and crisp.



    Done!






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    Simply state,




    "Boss, you wouldn't believe it. I'm making 6. You kindly offered me 7. Out of the blue on the weekend XYZ offered me 8! No kidding - here, you can see the offer. I want you to understand I'm NOT trying to play you for more money. I am definitely taking the "8" offer. Thanks for the great years! Have another Caipirinha man!"




    End of story.



    This is totally and completely uninteresting in the world of software. No issues.



    As you say you don't want to "be rude" so just make it totally clear that you are NOT looking for yet another offer.



    Your old boss will appreciate you being decisive, truthful, frank and crisp.



    Done!







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    answered 18 hours ago









    FattieFattie

    8,94331731




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    • why can't he open the negotiation with his current company after he got a better offer? is this somehow unprofessional?

      – Homerothompson
      18 hours ago






    • 7





      And perhaps have a Caipirinha before he goes to talk to his boss, to settle the nerves. :-)

      – Peter K.
      18 hours ago






    • 3





      @Homerothompson (1) the current company is a KNOWN LOW-PAYER. what OP must do is RUN. (2) actually YES, it would be uncool to "make it a negotiation". firmly state you are leaving. OK, maybe incredibly they will come back with yet another offer, but there is no chance of that in reality so don't "make it a negotiation". Take the high ground and state you are leaving.

      – Fattie
      17 hours ago






    • 6





      Their boss will also appreciate them not trying to gauge them for more money right after they did give them what OP asked for few days before since OP is concerned with not burning bridges also. For once I ll agree with @Fattie

      – Leon
      17 hours ago













    • @Leon , I send crates of wine to those who agree - hence all the upvotes! :)

      – Fattie
      13 hours ago



















    • why can't he open the negotiation with his current company after he got a better offer? is this somehow unprofessional?

      – Homerothompson
      18 hours ago






    • 7





      And perhaps have a Caipirinha before he goes to talk to his boss, to settle the nerves. :-)

      – Peter K.
      18 hours ago






    • 3





      @Homerothompson (1) the current company is a KNOWN LOW-PAYER. what OP must do is RUN. (2) actually YES, it would be uncool to "make it a negotiation". firmly state you are leaving. OK, maybe incredibly they will come back with yet another offer, but there is no chance of that in reality so don't "make it a negotiation". Take the high ground and state you are leaving.

      – Fattie
      17 hours ago






    • 6





      Their boss will also appreciate them not trying to gauge them for more money right after they did give them what OP asked for few days before since OP is concerned with not burning bridges also. For once I ll agree with @Fattie

      – Leon
      17 hours ago













    • @Leon , I send crates of wine to those who agree - hence all the upvotes! :)

      – Fattie
      13 hours ago

















    why can't he open the negotiation with his current company after he got a better offer? is this somehow unprofessional?

    – Homerothompson
    18 hours ago





    why can't he open the negotiation with his current company after he got a better offer? is this somehow unprofessional?

    – Homerothompson
    18 hours ago




    7




    7





    And perhaps have a Caipirinha before he goes to talk to his boss, to settle the nerves. :-)

    – Peter K.
    18 hours ago





    And perhaps have a Caipirinha before he goes to talk to his boss, to settle the nerves. :-)

    – Peter K.
    18 hours ago




    3




    3





    @Homerothompson (1) the current company is a KNOWN LOW-PAYER. what OP must do is RUN. (2) actually YES, it would be uncool to "make it a negotiation". firmly state you are leaving. OK, maybe incredibly they will come back with yet another offer, but there is no chance of that in reality so don't "make it a negotiation". Take the high ground and state you are leaving.

    – Fattie
    17 hours ago





    @Homerothompson (1) the current company is a KNOWN LOW-PAYER. what OP must do is RUN. (2) actually YES, it would be uncool to "make it a negotiation". firmly state you are leaving. OK, maybe incredibly they will come back with yet another offer, but there is no chance of that in reality so don't "make it a negotiation". Take the high ground and state you are leaving.

    – Fattie
    17 hours ago




    6




    6





    Their boss will also appreciate them not trying to gauge them for more money right after they did give them what OP asked for few days before since OP is concerned with not burning bridges also. For once I ll agree with @Fattie

    – Leon
    17 hours ago







    Their boss will also appreciate them not trying to gauge them for more money right after they did give them what OP asked for few days before since OP is concerned with not burning bridges also. For once I ll agree with @Fattie

    – Leon
    17 hours ago















    @Leon , I send crates of wine to those who agree - hence all the upvotes! :)

    – Fattie
    13 hours ago





    @Leon , I send crates of wine to those who agree - hence all the upvotes! :)

    – Fattie
    13 hours ago













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    Communicate.



    Talk to your manager and explain again that you have had an even better offer. Show him proof if needed (and willing of course). He may say he'll match it, you may be able to negotiate higher e.g. 10% but you still have to make the choice, Is that 10% more important or is joining




    The company is regarded as the best tech company to work on Brasil




    You need to decide whether you enjoy your current job/role enough to stay and potentially negotiate an even higher salary. Or get this massive opportunity on your resume. With your statement above I assume this company has good reputation and is highly commendable as a company.



    To me, your current company will not likely increase your salary above the offer. Maybe match it, but not top it. Then you also have the reputation of this company behind you. To me it's an obvious choice on what I would be choosing.



    You won't be burning any bridges at all, your manager will understand why you have made the choice. If they can't beat the offer they have to let you go. Your manager clearly thinks highly of you so you will still have that strong relationship between yourselves if ever required for whatever reason.






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    • Feels kinda dishonest to go back for more when you just did that. Imo its either leave or stay as is. OP would be the first one on the chopping board for replacement asap if he tries to pull this twice, let alone twice in a row.

      – Leon
      17 hours ago











    • @Leon How is it dishonest? The newer offer will have a date and a salary. The manager will clearly see that it's not made up. You'll cause more damage if you just leave. Especially when OP stated that the only reason he was debating leaving was because of the money and only the money. Now the manager matched it and he's still leaving?

      – Twyxz
      17 hours ago








    • 2





      @Leon I disagree...it's not dishonesty. How long do you feel is appropriate enough to take the decision of leaving after a raise? A month? Two? Six months? A year? It's subjective and varies.

      – Sourav Ghosh
      17 hours ago






    • 1





      @Leon Both options are valid options. I wouldn't say Fattie's answer is particularly bad. Just not my choice of play based off the relationship and respect that OP has with their manager.

      – Twyxz
      17 hours ago






    • 1





      @Leon I do not see the difference between (1) accepting raise and leaving and (2) accepting raise and asking for raise again. In both the cases, you are defying the cause of the first raise, so I dont see how they may appear any different. Rather, asking for another raise may depict that you are still interested in the organization and the work / role - it's just that you have a higher market value and if the organization values you, they should match your expectations.

      – Sourav Ghosh
      17 hours ago
















    14














    Communicate.



    Talk to your manager and explain again that you have had an even better offer. Show him proof if needed (and willing of course). He may say he'll match it, you may be able to negotiate higher e.g. 10% but you still have to make the choice, Is that 10% more important or is joining




    The company is regarded as the best tech company to work on Brasil




    You need to decide whether you enjoy your current job/role enough to stay and potentially negotiate an even higher salary. Or get this massive opportunity on your resume. With your statement above I assume this company has good reputation and is highly commendable as a company.



    To me, your current company will not likely increase your salary above the offer. Maybe match it, but not top it. Then you also have the reputation of this company behind you. To me it's an obvious choice on what I would be choosing.



    You won't be burning any bridges at all, your manager will understand why you have made the choice. If they can't beat the offer they have to let you go. Your manager clearly thinks highly of you so you will still have that strong relationship between yourselves if ever required for whatever reason.






    share|improve this answer


























    • Feels kinda dishonest to go back for more when you just did that. Imo its either leave or stay as is. OP would be the first one on the chopping board for replacement asap if he tries to pull this twice, let alone twice in a row.

      – Leon
      17 hours ago











    • @Leon How is it dishonest? The newer offer will have a date and a salary. The manager will clearly see that it's not made up. You'll cause more damage if you just leave. Especially when OP stated that the only reason he was debating leaving was because of the money and only the money. Now the manager matched it and he's still leaving?

      – Twyxz
      17 hours ago








    • 2





      @Leon I disagree...it's not dishonesty. How long do you feel is appropriate enough to take the decision of leaving after a raise? A month? Two? Six months? A year? It's subjective and varies.

      – Sourav Ghosh
      17 hours ago






    • 1





      @Leon Both options are valid options. I wouldn't say Fattie's answer is particularly bad. Just not my choice of play based off the relationship and respect that OP has with their manager.

      – Twyxz
      17 hours ago






    • 1





      @Leon I do not see the difference between (1) accepting raise and leaving and (2) accepting raise and asking for raise again. In both the cases, you are defying the cause of the first raise, so I dont see how they may appear any different. Rather, asking for another raise may depict that you are still interested in the organization and the work / role - it's just that you have a higher market value and if the organization values you, they should match your expectations.

      – Sourav Ghosh
      17 hours ago














    14












    14








    14







    Communicate.



    Talk to your manager and explain again that you have had an even better offer. Show him proof if needed (and willing of course). He may say he'll match it, you may be able to negotiate higher e.g. 10% but you still have to make the choice, Is that 10% more important or is joining




    The company is regarded as the best tech company to work on Brasil




    You need to decide whether you enjoy your current job/role enough to stay and potentially negotiate an even higher salary. Or get this massive opportunity on your resume. With your statement above I assume this company has good reputation and is highly commendable as a company.



    To me, your current company will not likely increase your salary above the offer. Maybe match it, but not top it. Then you also have the reputation of this company behind you. To me it's an obvious choice on what I would be choosing.



    You won't be burning any bridges at all, your manager will understand why you have made the choice. If they can't beat the offer they have to let you go. Your manager clearly thinks highly of you so you will still have that strong relationship between yourselves if ever required for whatever reason.






    share|improve this answer















    Communicate.



    Talk to your manager and explain again that you have had an even better offer. Show him proof if needed (and willing of course). He may say he'll match it, you may be able to negotiate higher e.g. 10% but you still have to make the choice, Is that 10% more important or is joining




    The company is regarded as the best tech company to work on Brasil




    You need to decide whether you enjoy your current job/role enough to stay and potentially negotiate an even higher salary. Or get this massive opportunity on your resume. With your statement above I assume this company has good reputation and is highly commendable as a company.



    To me, your current company will not likely increase your salary above the offer. Maybe match it, but not top it. Then you also have the reputation of this company behind you. To me it's an obvious choice on what I would be choosing.



    You won't be burning any bridges at all, your manager will understand why you have made the choice. If they can't beat the offer they have to let you go. Your manager clearly thinks highly of you so you will still have that strong relationship between yourselves if ever required for whatever reason.







    share|improve this answer














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    answered 18 hours ago









    TwyxzTwyxz

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    • Feels kinda dishonest to go back for more when you just did that. Imo its either leave or stay as is. OP would be the first one on the chopping board for replacement asap if he tries to pull this twice, let alone twice in a row.

      – Leon
      17 hours ago











    • @Leon How is it dishonest? The newer offer will have a date and a salary. The manager will clearly see that it's not made up. You'll cause more damage if you just leave. Especially when OP stated that the only reason he was debating leaving was because of the money and only the money. Now the manager matched it and he's still leaving?

      – Twyxz
      17 hours ago








    • 2





      @Leon I disagree...it's not dishonesty. How long do you feel is appropriate enough to take the decision of leaving after a raise? A month? Two? Six months? A year? It's subjective and varies.

      – Sourav Ghosh
      17 hours ago






    • 1





      @Leon Both options are valid options. I wouldn't say Fattie's answer is particularly bad. Just not my choice of play based off the relationship and respect that OP has with their manager.

      – Twyxz
      17 hours ago






    • 1





      @Leon I do not see the difference between (1) accepting raise and leaving and (2) accepting raise and asking for raise again. In both the cases, you are defying the cause of the first raise, so I dont see how they may appear any different. Rather, asking for another raise may depict that you are still interested in the organization and the work / role - it's just that you have a higher market value and if the organization values you, they should match your expectations.

      – Sourav Ghosh
      17 hours ago



















    • Feels kinda dishonest to go back for more when you just did that. Imo its either leave or stay as is. OP would be the first one on the chopping board for replacement asap if he tries to pull this twice, let alone twice in a row.

      – Leon
      17 hours ago











    • @Leon How is it dishonest? The newer offer will have a date and a salary. The manager will clearly see that it's not made up. You'll cause more damage if you just leave. Especially when OP stated that the only reason he was debating leaving was because of the money and only the money. Now the manager matched it and he's still leaving?

      – Twyxz
      17 hours ago








    • 2





      @Leon I disagree...it's not dishonesty. How long do you feel is appropriate enough to take the decision of leaving after a raise? A month? Two? Six months? A year? It's subjective and varies.

      – Sourav Ghosh
      17 hours ago






    • 1





      @Leon Both options are valid options. I wouldn't say Fattie's answer is particularly bad. Just not my choice of play based off the relationship and respect that OP has with their manager.

      – Twyxz
      17 hours ago






    • 1





      @Leon I do not see the difference between (1) accepting raise and leaving and (2) accepting raise and asking for raise again. In both the cases, you are defying the cause of the first raise, so I dont see how they may appear any different. Rather, asking for another raise may depict that you are still interested in the organization and the work / role - it's just that you have a higher market value and if the organization values you, they should match your expectations.

      – Sourav Ghosh
      17 hours ago

















    Feels kinda dishonest to go back for more when you just did that. Imo its either leave or stay as is. OP would be the first one on the chopping board for replacement asap if he tries to pull this twice, let alone twice in a row.

    – Leon
    17 hours ago





    Feels kinda dishonest to go back for more when you just did that. Imo its either leave or stay as is. OP would be the first one on the chopping board for replacement asap if he tries to pull this twice, let alone twice in a row.

    – Leon
    17 hours ago













    @Leon How is it dishonest? The newer offer will have a date and a salary. The manager will clearly see that it's not made up. You'll cause more damage if you just leave. Especially when OP stated that the only reason he was debating leaving was because of the money and only the money. Now the manager matched it and he's still leaving?

    – Twyxz
    17 hours ago







    @Leon How is it dishonest? The newer offer will have a date and a salary. The manager will clearly see that it's not made up. You'll cause more damage if you just leave. Especially when OP stated that the only reason he was debating leaving was because of the money and only the money. Now the manager matched it and he's still leaving?

    – Twyxz
    17 hours ago






    2




    2





    @Leon I disagree...it's not dishonesty. How long do you feel is appropriate enough to take the decision of leaving after a raise? A month? Two? Six months? A year? It's subjective and varies.

    – Sourav Ghosh
    17 hours ago





    @Leon I disagree...it's not dishonesty. How long do you feel is appropriate enough to take the decision of leaving after a raise? A month? Two? Six months? A year? It's subjective and varies.

    – Sourav Ghosh
    17 hours ago




    1




    1





    @Leon Both options are valid options. I wouldn't say Fattie's answer is particularly bad. Just not my choice of play based off the relationship and respect that OP has with their manager.

    – Twyxz
    17 hours ago





    @Leon Both options are valid options. I wouldn't say Fattie's answer is particularly bad. Just not my choice of play based off the relationship and respect that OP has with their manager.

    – Twyxz
    17 hours ago




    1




    1





    @Leon I do not see the difference between (1) accepting raise and leaving and (2) accepting raise and asking for raise again. In both the cases, you are defying the cause of the first raise, so I dont see how they may appear any different. Rather, asking for another raise may depict that you are still interested in the organization and the work / role - it's just that you have a higher market value and if the organization values you, they should match your expectations.

    – Sourav Ghosh
    17 hours ago





    @Leon I do not see the difference between (1) accepting raise and leaving and (2) accepting raise and asking for raise again. In both the cases, you are defying the cause of the first raise, so I dont see how they may appear any different. Rather, asking for another raise may depict that you are still interested in the organization and the work / role - it's just that you have a higher market value and if the organization values you, they should match your expectations.

    – Sourav Ghosh
    17 hours ago











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    You might burn a bridge in this case.



    You gave your manager a specific number so that he could retain you ( you mentioned to him that money is the only reason for you considering leaving ). He then promised to give you exactly what you asked for and delivered on his promise ( who knows how many hoops he had to go through to fulfill your request ). And now you will go to him and tell him that money actually wasn't the only thing that mattered.



    I can see some managers being upset at losing an employee in this manner.



    Regardless, I don't think that burning bridges matters much in this case. A substantially better opportunity has come along ( best tech company and much better pay ) and those opportunities don't come around frequently. I would take that offer even if it means burning a bridge with your current manager. He may be upset, but at the end of the day he will understand that you made the right decision.






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    • 5





      The new offer is from a completely different company. The first offer was just more money ("I like working here, but the pay sucks"). The second is (even) more money and prestige ("I like working here, the pay is about average, but wait what, Google wants me for 30% more than I'm making now? Yes please!"). A second pay raise to match the second offer might be enough to keep you around, but you know you aren't likely to get it as you just got one.

      – Draco18s
      15 hours ago
















    12














    You might burn a bridge in this case.



    You gave your manager a specific number so that he could retain you ( you mentioned to him that money is the only reason for you considering leaving ). He then promised to give you exactly what you asked for and delivered on his promise ( who knows how many hoops he had to go through to fulfill your request ). And now you will go to him and tell him that money actually wasn't the only thing that mattered.



    I can see some managers being upset at losing an employee in this manner.



    Regardless, I don't think that burning bridges matters much in this case. A substantially better opportunity has come along ( best tech company and much better pay ) and those opportunities don't come around frequently. I would take that offer even if it means burning a bridge with your current manager. He may be upset, but at the end of the day he will understand that you made the right decision.






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    • 5





      The new offer is from a completely different company. The first offer was just more money ("I like working here, but the pay sucks"). The second is (even) more money and prestige ("I like working here, the pay is about average, but wait what, Google wants me for 30% more than I'm making now? Yes please!"). A second pay raise to match the second offer might be enough to keep you around, but you know you aren't likely to get it as you just got one.

      – Draco18s
      15 hours ago














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    12








    12







    You might burn a bridge in this case.



    You gave your manager a specific number so that he could retain you ( you mentioned to him that money is the only reason for you considering leaving ). He then promised to give you exactly what you asked for and delivered on his promise ( who knows how many hoops he had to go through to fulfill your request ). And now you will go to him and tell him that money actually wasn't the only thing that mattered.



    I can see some managers being upset at losing an employee in this manner.



    Regardless, I don't think that burning bridges matters much in this case. A substantially better opportunity has come along ( best tech company and much better pay ) and those opportunities don't come around frequently. I would take that offer even if it means burning a bridge with your current manager. He may be upset, but at the end of the day he will understand that you made the right decision.






    share|improve this answer













    You might burn a bridge in this case.



    You gave your manager a specific number so that he could retain you ( you mentioned to him that money is the only reason for you considering leaving ). He then promised to give you exactly what you asked for and delivered on his promise ( who knows how many hoops he had to go through to fulfill your request ). And now you will go to him and tell him that money actually wasn't the only thing that mattered.



    I can see some managers being upset at losing an employee in this manner.



    Regardless, I don't think that burning bridges matters much in this case. A substantially better opportunity has come along ( best tech company and much better pay ) and those opportunities don't come around frequently. I would take that offer even if it means burning a bridge with your current manager. He may be upset, but at the end of the day he will understand that you made the right decision.







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    answered 16 hours ago









    sf02sf02

    4,4732521




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    • 5





      The new offer is from a completely different company. The first offer was just more money ("I like working here, but the pay sucks"). The second is (even) more money and prestige ("I like working here, the pay is about average, but wait what, Google wants me for 30% more than I'm making now? Yes please!"). A second pay raise to match the second offer might be enough to keep you around, but you know you aren't likely to get it as you just got one.

      – Draco18s
      15 hours ago














    • 5





      The new offer is from a completely different company. The first offer was just more money ("I like working here, but the pay sucks"). The second is (even) more money and prestige ("I like working here, the pay is about average, but wait what, Google wants me for 30% more than I'm making now? Yes please!"). A second pay raise to match the second offer might be enough to keep you around, but you know you aren't likely to get it as you just got one.

      – Draco18s
      15 hours ago








    5




    5





    The new offer is from a completely different company. The first offer was just more money ("I like working here, but the pay sucks"). The second is (even) more money and prestige ("I like working here, the pay is about average, but wait what, Google wants me for 30% more than I'm making now? Yes please!"). A second pay raise to match the second offer might be enough to keep you around, but you know you aren't likely to get it as you just got one.

    – Draco18s
    15 hours ago





    The new offer is from a completely different company. The first offer was just more money ("I like working here, but the pay sucks"). The second is (even) more money and prestige ("I like working here, the pay is about average, but wait what, Google wants me for 30% more than I'm making now? Yes please!"). A second pay raise to match the second offer might be enough to keep you around, but you know you aren't likely to get it as you just got one.

    – Draco18s
    15 hours ago











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    Your company was significantly underpaying you, for years, and they knew it. When you pointed it out, they offered you a raise, which is (kind of) nice of them (if you overlook all you lost before). But now you have an opportunity to be decently paid from the start. Take it!



    In any case, staying after setting up a bidding war over salary rarely comes to a good end, you're now marked as a flight risk and your career in this place is inherently limited. If you don't go now, chances are they'll push you out in fairly short order. And if you still love them after you work elsewhere, you can always come back, for even more money, later, that's a different setup. But once you show a higher offer to your employer you pretty much have to leave.






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      Your company was significantly underpaying you, for years, and they knew it. When you pointed it out, they offered you a raise, which is (kind of) nice of them (if you overlook all you lost before). But now you have an opportunity to be decently paid from the start. Take it!



      In any case, staying after setting up a bidding war over salary rarely comes to a good end, you're now marked as a flight risk and your career in this place is inherently limited. If you don't go now, chances are they'll push you out in fairly short order. And if you still love them after you work elsewhere, you can always come back, for even more money, later, that's a different setup. But once you show a higher offer to your employer you pretty much have to leave.






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        4







        Your company was significantly underpaying you, for years, and they knew it. When you pointed it out, they offered you a raise, which is (kind of) nice of them (if you overlook all you lost before). But now you have an opportunity to be decently paid from the start. Take it!



        In any case, staying after setting up a bidding war over salary rarely comes to a good end, you're now marked as a flight risk and your career in this place is inherently limited. If you don't go now, chances are they'll push you out in fairly short order. And if you still love them after you work elsewhere, you can always come back, for even more money, later, that's a different setup. But once you show a higher offer to your employer you pretty much have to leave.






        share|improve this answer













        Your company was significantly underpaying you, for years, and they knew it. When you pointed it out, they offered you a raise, which is (kind of) nice of them (if you overlook all you lost before). But now you have an opportunity to be decently paid from the start. Take it!



        In any case, staying after setting up a bidding war over salary rarely comes to a good end, you're now marked as a flight risk and your career in this place is inherently limited. If you don't go now, chances are they'll push you out in fairly short order. And if you still love them after you work elsewhere, you can always come back, for even more money, later, that's a different setup. But once you show a higher offer to your employer you pretty much have to leave.







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        answered 12 hours ago









        George MGeorge M

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            You won't burn any bridges. When people start looking around for options, this is not uncommon to happen.



            If you ever go back to the company (which rarely happens) or for the same boss in a different company (also rare), you'll be considered for your merits and this incident won't matter. Go ahead and take the best offer you can get.



            Also, don't ask your current employer to simply match the new offer. Ask 10% over that and see what happens. You have nothing to lose.






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            • I disagree in this specific case. His boss went out of his way and probably had to pull in a few favors to get this deal done. Now he leaves anyway.

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            You won't burn any bridges. When people start looking around for options, this is not uncommon to happen.



            If you ever go back to the company (which rarely happens) or for the same boss in a different company (also rare), you'll be considered for your merits and this incident won't matter. Go ahead and take the best offer you can get.



            Also, don't ask your current employer to simply match the new offer. Ask 10% over that and see what happens. You have nothing to lose.






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            • I disagree in this specific case. His boss went out of his way and probably had to pull in a few favors to get this deal done. Now he leaves anyway.

              – Bill Leeper
              10 hours ago














            1












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            1







            You won't burn any bridges. When people start looking around for options, this is not uncommon to happen.



            If you ever go back to the company (which rarely happens) or for the same boss in a different company (also rare), you'll be considered for your merits and this incident won't matter. Go ahead and take the best offer you can get.



            Also, don't ask your current employer to simply match the new offer. Ask 10% over that and see what happens. You have nothing to lose.






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            You won't burn any bridges. When people start looking around for options, this is not uncommon to happen.



            If you ever go back to the company (which rarely happens) or for the same boss in a different company (also rare), you'll be considered for your merits and this incident won't matter. Go ahead and take the best offer you can get.



            Also, don't ask your current employer to simply match the new offer. Ask 10% over that and see what happens. You have nothing to lose.







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            • That comment seems to be part of the answer - I'd edit that in to it :) Welcome to the site! Thanks for contributing.

              – Erik
              18 hours ago






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              Moved comment to answer. Thanks for the tip @Erik

              – kresho
              13 hours ago











            • I disagree in this specific case. His boss went out of his way and probably had to pull in a few favors to get this deal done. Now he leaves anyway.

              – Bill Leeper
              10 hours ago



















            • That comment seems to be part of the answer - I'd edit that in to it :) Welcome to the site! Thanks for contributing.

              – Erik
              18 hours ago






            • 2





              Moved comment to answer. Thanks for the tip @Erik

              – kresho
              13 hours ago











            • I disagree in this specific case. His boss went out of his way and probably had to pull in a few favors to get this deal done. Now he leaves anyway.

              – Bill Leeper
              10 hours ago

















            That comment seems to be part of the answer - I'd edit that in to it :) Welcome to the site! Thanks for contributing.

            – Erik
            18 hours ago





            That comment seems to be part of the answer - I'd edit that in to it :) Welcome to the site! Thanks for contributing.

            – Erik
            18 hours ago




            2




            2





            Moved comment to answer. Thanks for the tip @Erik

            – kresho
            13 hours ago





            Moved comment to answer. Thanks for the tip @Erik

            – kresho
            13 hours ago













            I disagree in this specific case. His boss went out of his way and probably had to pull in a few favors to get this deal done. Now he leaves anyway.

            – Bill Leeper
            10 hours ago





            I disagree in this specific case. His boss went out of his way and probably had to pull in a few favors to get this deal done. Now he leaves anyway.

            – Bill Leeper
            10 hours ago










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