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For some reason I always get the wrong answer and I don't understand why:



$$4z^2-12z+19=0$$



I got $z= frac{12 pm sqrt{260}i}{8} $ and the answer is supposed to be $z=frac{3 pm sqrt{10}i}{2} $ where is my mistake?






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    They are the same thing, only a factor of $4$ was cancelled.
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    Note that $ sqrt{260} $ (is that is what you meant) is typeset as sqrt{260} .
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For some reason I always get the wrong answer and I don't understand why:



$$4z^2-12z+19=0$$



I got $z= frac{12 pm sqrt{260}i}{8} $ and the answer is supposed to be $z=frac{3 pm sqrt{10}i}{2} $ where is my mistake?






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    They are the same thing, only a factor of $4$ was cancelled.
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    – Matti P.
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    Note that $ sqrt{260} $ (is that is what you meant) is typeset as sqrt{260} .
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    – Martin R
    17 hours ago














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For some reason I always get the wrong answer and I don't understand why:



$$4z^2-12z+19=0$$



I got $z= frac{12 pm sqrt{260}i}{8} $ and the answer is supposed to be $z=frac{3 pm sqrt{10}i}{2} $ where is my mistake?






algebra-precalculus complex-numbers quadratics







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For some reason I always get the wrong answer and I don't understand why:



$$4z^2-12z+19=0$$



I got $z= frac{12 pm sqrt{260}i}{8} $ and the answer is supposed to be $z=frac{3 pm sqrt{10}i}{2} $ where is my mistake?






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    They are the same thing, only a factor of $4$ was cancelled.
    $endgroup$
    – Matti P.
    17 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Note that $ sqrt{260} $ (is that is what you meant) is typeset as sqrt{260} .
    $endgroup$
    – Martin R
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    They are the same thing, only a factor of $4$ was cancelled.
    $endgroup$
    – Matti P.
    17 hours ago










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    Note that $ sqrt{260} $ (is that is what you meant) is typeset as sqrt{260} .
    $endgroup$
    – Martin R
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They are the same thing, only a factor of $4$ was cancelled.
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– Matti P.
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They are the same thing, only a factor of $4$ was cancelled.
$endgroup$
– Matti P.
17 hours ago












$begingroup$
Note that $ sqrt{260} $ (is that is what you meant) is typeset as sqrt{260} .
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– Martin R
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Note that $ sqrt{260} $ (is that is what you meant) is typeset as sqrt{260} .
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Your mistake is that the discriminant should be $12^2 - 4times 4times 19 = -160$, not $-260$, and then dividing top and bottom by 4 gives the correct answer.






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    In applying the quadratic formula … it might help to divide all coefficients by the original a of 4 so that the a drops out or the adjusted a=1 and the adjusted b=-3 and adjusted c=19/4 ... although it's best to keep it as simple as possible in order to minimize the likelihood of adding a mistake caused by extra cleverness … it's useful to understand the root cause of the error, eg b^2=44? rather 144 which lead to the -260 … in order to eliminate the likely missteps in one's problem-solving process.
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When the $x$ coefficient is even, say $ax^2+2bx+c=0,$ there is an equivalent version of the quadratic equation which automatically cancels that extra factor of $4.$



Instead of the usual discriminant $D=b^2-4ac$ with this setup one calculates what might be called the "other" discriminant (for want of a better word) $E=b^2-ac$ as the thing under the radical. As usual if that's negative the complex number $i$ is used when squareroot of discriminant is taken.



Then the roots are $$frac{-b pm sqrt{E}}{a}.$$



For the re-written example you have: $4z^2-2(-6)z+19=0,$ we get $E=(-6)^2-4cdot 19=36-4cdot 19=36-76=-40.$ Then roots are $(6 pm sqrt{-40})/12.$ This simplifies again in this case.






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    When you write "$ax^2+2bx+c=0$" and "$D=b^2-4ac$", those are two different $b$s. You should pick another letter for the first one.
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    @A.Howells That is clear from my explanation, and is why $E$ was used for $b^2-ac$ instead of the traditional $D$ for the discriminant (when no built-in multiplier of $2$ before $x$-coefficient.
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    @coffeemath It's not clear. The traditional discriminant would be $D = (2b)^2 - 4ac$.
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    @JiK And that, divided by $4,$ is $b^2-ac.$
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    @coffeemath Yes, but this answer claims that $D = b^2 - 4ac$, which is wrong. The coefficient of the first degree term is $2b$ here, not $b$.
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Your mistake is that the discriminant should be $12^2 - 4times 4times 19 = -160$, not $-260$, and then dividing top and bottom by 4 gives the correct answer.






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    In applying the quadratic formula … it might help to divide all coefficients by the original a of 4 so that the a drops out or the adjusted a=1 and the adjusted b=-3 and adjusted c=19/4 ... although it's best to keep it as simple as possible in order to minimize the likelihood of adding a mistake caused by extra cleverness … it's useful to understand the root cause of the error, eg b^2=44? rather 144 which lead to the -260 … in order to eliminate the likely missteps in one's problem-solving process.
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Your mistake is that the discriminant should be $12^2 - 4times 4times 19 = -160$, not $-260$, and then dividing top and bottom by 4 gives the correct answer.






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  • $begingroup$
    In applying the quadratic formula … it might help to divide all coefficients by the original a of 4 so that the a drops out or the adjusted a=1 and the adjusted b=-3 and adjusted c=19/4 ... although it's best to keep it as simple as possible in order to minimize the likelihood of adding a mistake caused by extra cleverness … it's useful to understand the root cause of the error, eg b^2=44? rather 144 which lead to the -260 … in order to eliminate the likely missteps in one's problem-solving process.
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Your mistake is that the discriminant should be $12^2 - 4times 4times 19 = -160$, not $-260$, and then dividing top and bottom by 4 gives the correct answer.






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Your mistake is that the discriminant should be $12^2 - 4times 4times 19 = -160$, not $-260$, and then dividing top and bottom by 4 gives the correct answer.







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  • $begingroup$
    In applying the quadratic formula … it might help to divide all coefficients by the original a of 4 so that the a drops out or the adjusted a=1 and the adjusted b=-3 and adjusted c=19/4 ... although it's best to keep it as simple as possible in order to minimize the likelihood of adding a mistake caused by extra cleverness … it's useful to understand the root cause of the error, eg b^2=44? rather 144 which lead to the -260 … in order to eliminate the likely missteps in one's problem-solving process.
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  • $begingroup$
    In applying the quadratic formula … it might help to divide all coefficients by the original a of 4 so that the a drops out or the adjusted a=1 and the adjusted b=-3 and adjusted c=19/4 ... although it's best to keep it as simple as possible in order to minimize the likelihood of adding a mistake caused by extra cleverness … it's useful to understand the root cause of the error, eg b^2=44? rather 144 which lead to the -260 … in order to eliminate the likely missteps in one's problem-solving process.
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In applying the quadratic formula … it might help to divide all coefficients by the original a of 4 so that the a drops out or the adjusted a=1 and the adjusted b=-3 and adjusted c=19/4 ... although it's best to keep it as simple as possible in order to minimize the likelihood of adding a mistake caused by extra cleverness … it's useful to understand the root cause of the error, eg b^2=44? rather 144 which lead to the -260 … in order to eliminate the likely missteps in one's problem-solving process.
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$begingroup$
In applying the quadratic formula … it might help to divide all coefficients by the original a of 4 so that the a drops out or the adjusted a=1 and the adjusted b=-3 and adjusted c=19/4 ... although it's best to keep it as simple as possible in order to minimize the likelihood of adding a mistake caused by extra cleverness … it's useful to understand the root cause of the error, eg b^2=44? rather 144 which lead to the -260 … in order to eliminate the likely missteps in one's problem-solving process.
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When the $x$ coefficient is even, say $ax^2+2bx+c=0,$ there is an equivalent version of the quadratic equation which automatically cancels that extra factor of $4.$



Instead of the usual discriminant $D=b^2-4ac$ with this setup one calculates what might be called the "other" discriminant (for want of a better word) $E=b^2-ac$ as the thing under the radical. As usual if that's negative the complex number $i$ is used when squareroot of discriminant is taken.



Then the roots are $$frac{-b pm sqrt{E}}{a}.$$



For the re-written example you have: $4z^2-2(-6)z+19=0,$ we get $E=(-6)^2-4cdot 19=36-4cdot 19=36-76=-40.$ Then roots are $(6 pm sqrt{-40})/12.$ This simplifies again in this case.






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    When you write "$ax^2+2bx+c=0$" and "$D=b^2-4ac$", those are two different $b$s. You should pick another letter for the first one.
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    – A. Howells
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    @A.Howells That is clear from my explanation, and is why $E$ was used for $b^2-ac$ instead of the traditional $D$ for the discriminant (when no built-in multiplier of $2$ before $x$-coefficient.
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    @coffeemath It's not clear. The traditional discriminant would be $D = (2b)^2 - 4ac$.
    $endgroup$
    – JiK
    11 hours ago










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    @JiK And that, divided by $4,$ is $b^2-ac.$
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    – coffeemath
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    @coffeemath Yes, but this answer claims that $D = b^2 - 4ac$, which is wrong. The coefficient of the first degree term is $2b$ here, not $b$.
    $endgroup$
    – JiK
    5 hours ago
















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$begingroup$

When the $x$ coefficient is even, say $ax^2+2bx+c=0,$ there is an equivalent version of the quadratic equation which automatically cancels that extra factor of $4.$



Instead of the usual discriminant $D=b^2-4ac$ with this setup one calculates what might be called the "other" discriminant (for want of a better word) $E=b^2-ac$ as the thing under the radical. As usual if that's negative the complex number $i$ is used when squareroot of discriminant is taken.



Then the roots are $$frac{-b pm sqrt{E}}{a}.$$



For the re-written example you have: $4z^2-2(-6)z+19=0,$ we get $E=(-6)^2-4cdot 19=36-4cdot 19=36-76=-40.$ Then roots are $(6 pm sqrt{-40})/12.$ This simplifies again in this case.






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    When you write "$ax^2+2bx+c=0$" and "$D=b^2-4ac$", those are two different $b$s. You should pick another letter for the first one.
    $endgroup$
    – A. Howells
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  • $begingroup$
    @A.Howells That is clear from my explanation, and is why $E$ was used for $b^2-ac$ instead of the traditional $D$ for the discriminant (when no built-in multiplier of $2$ before $x$-coefficient.
    $endgroup$
    – coffeemath
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    @coffeemath It's not clear. The traditional discriminant would be $D = (2b)^2 - 4ac$.
    $endgroup$
    – JiK
    11 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @JiK And that, divided by $4,$ is $b^2-ac.$
    $endgroup$
    – coffeemath
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  • $begingroup$
    @coffeemath Yes, but this answer claims that $D = b^2 - 4ac$, which is wrong. The coefficient of the first degree term is $2b$ here, not $b$.
    $endgroup$
    – JiK
    5 hours ago














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$begingroup$

When the $x$ coefficient is even, say $ax^2+2bx+c=0,$ there is an equivalent version of the quadratic equation which automatically cancels that extra factor of $4.$



Instead of the usual discriminant $D=b^2-4ac$ with this setup one calculates what might be called the "other" discriminant (for want of a better word) $E=b^2-ac$ as the thing under the radical. As usual if that's negative the complex number $i$ is used when squareroot of discriminant is taken.



Then the roots are $$frac{-b pm sqrt{E}}{a}.$$



For the re-written example you have: $4z^2-2(-6)z+19=0,$ we get $E=(-6)^2-4cdot 19=36-4cdot 19=36-76=-40.$ Then roots are $(6 pm sqrt{-40})/12.$ This simplifies again in this case.






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When the $x$ coefficient is even, say $ax^2+2bx+c=0,$ there is an equivalent version of the quadratic equation which automatically cancels that extra factor of $4.$



Instead of the usual discriminant $D=b^2-4ac$ with this setup one calculates what might be called the "other" discriminant (for want of a better word) $E=b^2-ac$ as the thing under the radical. As usual if that's negative the complex number $i$ is used when squareroot of discriminant is taken.



Then the roots are $$frac{-b pm sqrt{E}}{a}.$$



For the re-written example you have: $4z^2-2(-6)z+19=0,$ we get $E=(-6)^2-4cdot 19=36-4cdot 19=36-76=-40.$ Then roots are $(6 pm sqrt{-40})/12.$ This simplifies again in this case.







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    When you write "$ax^2+2bx+c=0$" and "$D=b^2-4ac$", those are two different $b$s. You should pick another letter for the first one.
    $endgroup$
    – A. Howells
    12 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @A.Howells That is clear from my explanation, and is why $E$ was used for $b^2-ac$ instead of the traditional $D$ for the discriminant (when no built-in multiplier of $2$ before $x$-coefficient.
    $endgroup$
    – coffeemath
    12 hours ago










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    @coffeemath It's not clear. The traditional discriminant would be $D = (2b)^2 - 4ac$.
    $endgroup$
    – JiK
    11 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @JiK And that, divided by $4,$ is $b^2-ac.$
    $endgroup$
    – coffeemath
    7 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @coffeemath Yes, but this answer claims that $D = b^2 - 4ac$, which is wrong. The coefficient of the first degree term is $2b$ here, not $b$.
    $endgroup$
    – JiK
    5 hours ago














  • 1




    $begingroup$
    When you write "$ax^2+2bx+c=0$" and "$D=b^2-4ac$", those are two different $b$s. You should pick another letter for the first one.
    $endgroup$
    – A. Howells
    12 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @A.Howells That is clear from my explanation, and is why $E$ was used for $b^2-ac$ instead of the traditional $D$ for the discriminant (when no built-in multiplier of $2$ before $x$-coefficient.
    $endgroup$
    – coffeemath
    12 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @coffeemath It's not clear. The traditional discriminant would be $D = (2b)^2 - 4ac$.
    $endgroup$
    – JiK
    11 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @JiK And that, divided by $4,$ is $b^2-ac.$
    $endgroup$
    – coffeemath
    7 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @coffeemath Yes, but this answer claims that $D = b^2 - 4ac$, which is wrong. The coefficient of the first degree term is $2b$ here, not $b$.
    $endgroup$
    – JiK
    5 hours ago








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$begingroup$
When you write "$ax^2+2bx+c=0$" and "$D=b^2-4ac$", those are two different $b$s. You should pick another letter for the first one.
$endgroup$
– A. Howells
12 hours ago




$begingroup$
When you write "$ax^2+2bx+c=0$" and "$D=b^2-4ac$", those are two different $b$s. You should pick another letter for the first one.
$endgroup$
– A. Howells
12 hours ago












$begingroup$
@A.Howells That is clear from my explanation, and is why $E$ was used for $b^2-ac$ instead of the traditional $D$ for the discriminant (when no built-in multiplier of $2$ before $x$-coefficient.
$endgroup$
– coffeemath
12 hours ago




$begingroup$
@A.Howells That is clear from my explanation, and is why $E$ was used for $b^2-ac$ instead of the traditional $D$ for the discriminant (when no built-in multiplier of $2$ before $x$-coefficient.
$endgroup$
– coffeemath
12 hours ago












$begingroup$
@coffeemath It's not clear. The traditional discriminant would be $D = (2b)^2 - 4ac$.
$endgroup$
– JiK
11 hours ago




$begingroup$
@coffeemath It's not clear. The traditional discriminant would be $D = (2b)^2 - 4ac$.
$endgroup$
– JiK
11 hours ago












$begingroup$
@JiK And that, divided by $4,$ is $b^2-ac.$
$endgroup$
– coffeemath
7 hours ago




$begingroup$
@JiK And that, divided by $4,$ is $b^2-ac.$
$endgroup$
– coffeemath
7 hours ago












$begingroup$
@coffeemath Yes, but this answer claims that $D = b^2 - 4ac$, which is wrong. The coefficient of the first degree term is $2b$ here, not $b$.
$endgroup$
– JiK
5 hours ago




$begingroup$
@coffeemath Yes, but this answer claims that $D = b^2 - 4ac$, which is wrong. The coefficient of the first degree term is $2b$ here, not $b$.
$endgroup$
– JiK
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ASUS Zenbook UX433/UX333 — Configure Touchpad-embedded numpad on Linux

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0 1 I have an ASUS Zenbook UX433,on which ASUS decided to innovate by embedding a Numpad inside the touchpad (see picture 1). Toggling between classic touchpad mode and numpad (also turns the touchpad LEDs on) can be done through the golden button in the top-right corner of the touchpad. However, on my Manjaro arch Linux config, this behavior does not work by default and I can only use the touchpad, no numpad. Has anyone been able to configure the numpad to work on Linux, or have any idea how this could be achieved? EDIT1: I have had a look at the official Windows drivers for the UX433FA TouchPad, but was not able to make anything of it. I tried installing them on Linux using tools like NDISWrapper, but they do not detect the TouchPad/Numpad hardware, and my understanding of drivers is too limited.
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