Can one live in the U.S. and not use a credit card?
The title is maybe not very accurate.
I'm European (Italian) so I don't have a very clear idea of how it works in U.S.
My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is that the economy there incentivises the people to use credit cards, and eventually spend money they don't have. Then, each month, they can pay back the debit, paying some interests on it in some cases.
First of all, if this premise is wrong, please explain me where I'm wrong.
If the premise is right, even if just generically, I'd like to ask:
Is it possible to live in U.S. and use a debit card rather than a credit card, just like it works in Europe. So that I'm unable to spend more money than what I have on my savings account?
Alternatively, use a credit card but disable the possibility to spend more money than the one I have on my account.
I know credit cards are needed to create a credit score, but I'm not use I understand the implications.
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The title is maybe not very accurate.
I'm European (Italian) so I don't have a very clear idea of how it works in U.S.
My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is that the economy there incentivises the people to use credit cards, and eventually spend money they don't have. Then, each month, they can pay back the debit, paying some interests on it in some cases.
First of all, if this premise is wrong, please explain me where I'm wrong.
If the premise is right, even if just generically, I'd like to ask:
Is it possible to live in U.S. and use a debit card rather than a credit card, just like it works in Europe. So that I'm unable to spend more money than what I have on my savings account?
Alternatively, use a credit card but disable the possibility to spend more money than the one I have on my account.
I know credit cards are needed to create a credit score, but I'm not use I understand the implications.
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While all the answers are good, no-one has actually questioned your assumptions. The way it works in the US and the way it works in Europe are, for your purposes, identical. So you might just as well ask “Can one live in Europe without a credit card” and the existing answers would all be just as valid.
– Vicky
10 hours ago
@Vicky some of the answers pointed out the need of a credit card for hotel reservations. In europe you don't need one to book an hotel, they never put money on hold. So I wouldn't say the situation is the same
– Fez Vrasta
10 hours ago
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@Vicky Many parts of Europe use a different means of consumer borrowing. Instead of credit cards, people have an overdraft facility on their bank accounts. Essentially their debit card becomes credit. In some places, installment plans ("hire purchase") are much more prevalent. But overall, I agree the OP should note that much of Europe has higher household debt, as a percent of disposable income, than the US.
– user71659
9 hours ago
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Credit cards don't force you to live above your means, they just make it easier. I've been paying my credit cards in full every month (except when I've occasionally forgotten) for decades. I use them for convenience, not for borrowing.
– Barmar
7 hours ago
Side note: you don’t need a credit card to have a credit score, just some form of credit history. Last I heard, though, managing several different types of credit for a long period of time did maximize your score. This might or might not be a serious concern for you.
– Davislor
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The title is maybe not very accurate.
I'm European (Italian) so I don't have a very clear idea of how it works in U.S.
My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is that the economy there incentivises the people to use credit cards, and eventually spend money they don't have. Then, each month, they can pay back the debit, paying some interests on it in some cases.
First of all, if this premise is wrong, please explain me where I'm wrong.
If the premise is right, even if just generically, I'd like to ask:
Is it possible to live in U.S. and use a debit card rather than a credit card, just like it works in Europe. So that I'm unable to spend more money than what I have on my savings account?
Alternatively, use a credit card but disable the possibility to spend more money than the one I have on my account.
I know credit cards are needed to create a credit score, but I'm not use I understand the implications.
united-states credit-card
The title is maybe not very accurate.
I'm European (Italian) so I don't have a very clear idea of how it works in U.S.
My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is that the economy there incentivises the people to use credit cards, and eventually spend money they don't have. Then, each month, they can pay back the debit, paying some interests on it in some cases.
First of all, if this premise is wrong, please explain me where I'm wrong.
If the premise is right, even if just generically, I'd like to ask:
Is it possible to live in U.S. and use a debit card rather than a credit card, just like it works in Europe. So that I'm unable to spend more money than what I have on my savings account?
Alternatively, use a credit card but disable the possibility to spend more money than the one I have on my account.
I know credit cards are needed to create a credit score, but I'm not use I understand the implications.
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While all the answers are good, no-one has actually questioned your assumptions. The way it works in the US and the way it works in Europe are, for your purposes, identical. So you might just as well ask “Can one live in Europe without a credit card” and the existing answers would all be just as valid.
– Vicky
10 hours ago
@Vicky some of the answers pointed out the need of a credit card for hotel reservations. In europe you don't need one to book an hotel, they never put money on hold. So I wouldn't say the situation is the same
– Fez Vrasta
10 hours ago
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@Vicky Many parts of Europe use a different means of consumer borrowing. Instead of credit cards, people have an overdraft facility on their bank accounts. Essentially their debit card becomes credit. In some places, installment plans ("hire purchase") are much more prevalent. But overall, I agree the OP should note that much of Europe has higher household debt, as a percent of disposable income, than the US.
– user71659
9 hours ago
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Credit cards don't force you to live above your means, they just make it easier. I've been paying my credit cards in full every month (except when I've occasionally forgotten) for decades. I use them for convenience, not for borrowing.
– Barmar
7 hours ago
Side note: you don’t need a credit card to have a credit score, just some form of credit history. Last I heard, though, managing several different types of credit for a long period of time did maximize your score. This might or might not be a serious concern for you.
– Davislor
7 hours ago
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While all the answers are good, no-one has actually questioned your assumptions. The way it works in the US and the way it works in Europe are, for your purposes, identical. So you might just as well ask “Can one live in Europe without a credit card” and the existing answers would all be just as valid.
– Vicky
10 hours ago
@Vicky some of the answers pointed out the need of a credit card for hotel reservations. In europe you don't need one to book an hotel, they never put money on hold. So I wouldn't say the situation is the same
– Fez Vrasta
10 hours ago
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@Vicky Many parts of Europe use a different means of consumer borrowing. Instead of credit cards, people have an overdraft facility on their bank accounts. Essentially their debit card becomes credit. In some places, installment plans ("hire purchase") are much more prevalent. But overall, I agree the OP should note that much of Europe has higher household debt, as a percent of disposable income, than the US.
– user71659
9 hours ago
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Credit cards don't force you to live above your means, they just make it easier. I've been paying my credit cards in full every month (except when I've occasionally forgotten) for decades. I use them for convenience, not for borrowing.
– Barmar
7 hours ago
Side note: you don’t need a credit card to have a credit score, just some form of credit history. Last I heard, though, managing several different types of credit for a long period of time did maximize your score. This might or might not be a serious concern for you.
– Davislor
7 hours ago
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While all the answers are good, no-one has actually questioned your assumptions. The way it works in the US and the way it works in Europe are, for your purposes, identical. So you might just as well ask “Can one live in Europe without a credit card” and the existing answers would all be just as valid.
– Vicky
10 hours ago
While all the answers are good, no-one has actually questioned your assumptions. The way it works in the US and the way it works in Europe are, for your purposes, identical. So you might just as well ask “Can one live in Europe without a credit card” and the existing answers would all be just as valid.
– Vicky
10 hours ago
@Vicky some of the answers pointed out the need of a credit card for hotel reservations. In europe you don't need one to book an hotel, they never put money on hold. So I wouldn't say the situation is the same
– Fez Vrasta
10 hours ago
@Vicky some of the answers pointed out the need of a credit card for hotel reservations. In europe you don't need one to book an hotel, they never put money on hold. So I wouldn't say the situation is the same
– Fez Vrasta
10 hours ago
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@Vicky Many parts of Europe use a different means of consumer borrowing. Instead of credit cards, people have an overdraft facility on their bank accounts. Essentially their debit card becomes credit. In some places, installment plans ("hire purchase") are much more prevalent. But overall, I agree the OP should note that much of Europe has higher household debt, as a percent of disposable income, than the US.
– user71659
9 hours ago
@Vicky Many parts of Europe use a different means of consumer borrowing. Instead of credit cards, people have an overdraft facility on their bank accounts. Essentially their debit card becomes credit. In some places, installment plans ("hire purchase") are much more prevalent. But overall, I agree the OP should note that much of Europe has higher household debt, as a percent of disposable income, than the US.
– user71659
9 hours ago
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Credit cards don't force you to live above your means, they just make it easier. I've been paying my credit cards in full every month (except when I've occasionally forgotten) for decades. I use them for convenience, not for borrowing.
– Barmar
7 hours ago
Credit cards don't force you to live above your means, they just make it easier. I've been paying my credit cards in full every month (except when I've occasionally forgotten) for decades. I use them for convenience, not for borrowing.
– Barmar
7 hours ago
Side note: you don’t need a credit card to have a credit score, just some form of credit history. Last I heard, though, managing several different types of credit for a long period of time did maximize your score. This might or might not be a serious concern for you.
– Davislor
7 hours ago
Side note: you don’t need a credit card to have a credit score, just some form of credit history. Last I heard, though, managing several different types of credit for a long period of time did maximize your score. This might or might not be a serious concern for you.
– Davislor
7 hours ago
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My understanding is that the economy there incentivises the people to
use credit cards, and eventually spend money they don't have.
Interest on debt provides a direct incentive to only spend money you have, but there is incentive to use credit cards in general as they provide a buffer between your money and fraudulent charges as well as commonly having some sort of reward program. Many people do fall into a trap of spending more than they should because they have access to credit, which ends up costing them much more over time due to interest.
Is it possible to live in U.S. and use a debit card rather than a
credit card, just like it works in Europe. So that I'm unable to spend
more money than what I have on my savings account?
Credit cards are very common in the US, but ~25-30% of consumers do not have any. Most debit cards in the US use the same transaction processing companies as credit cards (Visa/Mastercard/etc.), so living with debit cards instead of credit cards is typically not an issue.
The main issue you'd likely encounter when using a debit card instead of a credit card in the US is with things like hotel reservations and car rentals where the merchant will place a hold for some amount that will be released when the final transaction is processed. With a credit card, you'd never see this unless you were pushing up against your credit limit, with a debit card however you need to have funds in the account sufficient enough for holds and any actual charges. Not a huge issue typically, but it's important to have plenty of funds in your account when traveling on a debit card.
How many of those ~25-30% of consumers are the underclass?
– RonJohn
10 hours ago
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@RonJohn Not sure, but I bet the majority because there's also ~10% of people in the US that have no bank accounts at all and they are almost exclusively very low-income individuals.
– Hart CO
10 hours ago
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And gas pumps can put really large holds on debit cards sometimes.
– tpg2114
4 hours ago
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Is it possible to live in U.S. and use a debit card rather than a credit card, just like it works in Europe. So that I'm unable to spend more money than what I have on my savings account?
Yes. My son did it for quite a while.
There are things you can't do, though, like rent a car. And reserving a hotel will require a large balance in your checking account because they will put a very large (like US$1500) hold on your account to ensure you have enough money to pay them.
the economy there incentivises the people to use credit cards, and eventually spend money they don't have.
Advertisers try to convince you to spend, spend, spend. The antidotes are to #1 be disciplined and #2 not watch advertisements.
I know credit cards are needed to create a credit score, but I'm not use I understand the implications.
They make it easy to start a credit history, but aren't mandatory.
Many -- but not all -- apartment owners won't rent to someone without a credit score, but it's been a long time since I've had to rent, so I don't know how prevalent it is.
BOTTOM LINE: credit cards don't force you to go into debt. I went for a few years heavily using my CC every month, and had no debt because I paid the card off every week. Essentially, I used it as a debit card. Why didn't I just use a DC? Rewards points (which you probably won't get), and fraud protection.
So, if you can be disciplined, then get/use a CC. Not everyone can be. For a long time, my ex-wife and I weren't but now we are.
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You can definitely rent a car, reserve a hotel, etc using a debit card.
– gwar9
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Just to add to the other answers, I would point out some statistics on the use of debit cards vs. credit cards: most non-cash payments in the United States are made using debit cards:
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Here is a survey a 2017 survey in which payment processor TSYS asked over 1,000 consumers which payment form they prefer. 44% chose debit cards, while 33% selected credit card:
From your pyramids, can you explain what "ACH Credit Transfer" and "ACH Debit Transfer" are and how they relate to "Debit Cards" and "Credit Cards"?
– axsvl77
5 hours ago
@axsvl77: ACH transfers are electronic movement of money directly from one bank account to another. An ACH credit transfer is where the entity initiating the transaction "pushes" money into another account; a common case is direct deposit of paychecks. An ACH debit transfer is where the initiating party "pulls" funds out of another account; a common case is automatic debits set up to pay bills.
– BrenBarn
4 hours ago
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Is it possible to live in U.S. and use a debit card rather than a credit card, just like it works in Europe. So that I'm unable to spend more money than what I have on my savings account?
Yes, it is completely possible. Dave Ramsey advocates for this on his national finance radio show. There are millions of people doing this already!
Alternatively, use a credit card but disable the possibility to spend more money than the one I have on my account.
These are called secured cards. Essentially you open a bank account and put money into it, say $1000, then the bank issues you a card with a $1000 limit. If you don't pay, the bank uses the account balance to pay it off.
The main reason people in America use credit cards over debit cards are
- Any thief that get a hold of it can clean out your bank account. Now rent, mortgage, car payment, etc can't be paid until it gets straightened out.
- Debit cards have overdraft fees if you don't have money in your account. If you don't have money, the bank will charge you an overdraft fee, $20 seems common. The barista at your favorite coffee shop may run your card 2 or 3 times to make sure it doesn't work, so $20*3 = $60 you don't have
- It's more difficult to reserve cars and hotels since a debit card hold = money missing from your account
- Secured cards are surprisingly popular, and essentially mean that even the most debt aversed person can have a credit card.
- Most credit cards offer airline miles, cash-back, points, or other incentives for spending on them. You're essentially turning away free money.
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In the U.S. a debit card can be run as a credit card, which here means swipe + signature (not a PIN). If you use a debit card at a sit-down restaurant the server will run it as a credit card and bring you a check to sign. Same if you buy online, you can use your debit card as a credit card and no PIN is required.
It's only been recently that the U.S. has (mostly) moved to chip (EMV) protected credit cards due to a rash of data breaches. The U.S. simply doesn't have the protection around card transactions that Europe has.
Even with significant nudging from lawmakers to use the more secure chip cards, some places still just want a swipe + signature (very insecure). As of Oct 1, 2015 if a merchant doesn't use a chip card, they cannot claim a fraudulent transaction and must eat the loss themselves.
Can you please elaborate a bit on the number 1? I mean how would that actually work? Here in Europe, you'd need the PIN for use of ATMs, and it's in general not so easy to impersonate someone in a bank and get money that way. I don't see any other way a debit card could be used to get the money out of an account.
– AndrejaKo
9 hours ago
@AndrejaKo Not all transactions require pin in US, online orders, for example where the card is not physically present. While covered against fraudulent purchases, it could take time to resolve, leaving you temporarily without funds.
– Hart CO
8 hours ago
@AndrejaKo also, a lot of debit cards in the US can be scanned as credit cards (scan/insert + signature) rather than debit cards (scan/insert + PIN)
– Stephen S
7 hours ago
Overdraft fees are probably closer to $35 than $20. You don't get charged one unless the bank actually honors the charge that puts you negative (so running a card more than once to check it won't create more than one overdraft charge). Still expensive and pointless.
– nomen
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You can easily live without a credit card in the US, but you might not do yourself a favor:
- not using the benefits of credit cards if you could is a loss for you - no free flights, cash back, etc.
- debit cards - contrary to Europe - offer little to no protection, every skimmer will empty your bank account and you are on your own with the problem.
- you can't secure hotel bookings and rental cars without parking and locking hundreds or thousands in your account
- with credit cards, you can revoke any fraud charge, no problems, and you never pay the frauded money, not even temporarily
- many people manage to pay their credit cards off fully every month, and never pay a cent of interest. That takes a bit of your personal willpower, though, and yes, many others don't have that, and end up overspending and bleeding interest for the rest of their life.
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When you say that "debit cards... offer little to no protection", are US-issued debit cards any different in their security from European debit cards?
– svavil
9 hours ago
"debit cards... offer little to no protection" is simply incorrect. There are legal liability limits but most banks will extend the protections to $0. On top of that, debit cards have some daily limit imposed by the bank, as well as the usual anti-fraud algorithms, so "emptying out" will not happen.
– user71659
8 hours ago
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@user71659 , the problem is that you are out of the money while your fraud complaint gets processed. It can take weeks to get your money back, all the time your account is empty, and all charges fail (producing fat fees). Try it, if you don't believe it.
– Aganju
8 hours ago
@Aganju Incorrect again. In the case of any reasonable dispute, banks will issue a provisional credit until the complaint is resolved. Been there, done that. This is no different from credit cards, the provisional credit for a fraudulent transaction there suspends your requirement to pay for it.
– user71659
6 hours ago
well the internet says different; fist match in Google: google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/… - scroll down a bit. There are hundreds of sources that all say the same.
– Aganju
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An option that combines the benefits of credit cards without the temptation of credit lines is the charge card. A charge card works similarly to a credit card except you must pay new charges entirely every month. You are not allowed to carry any balance over, under penalties of reporting to credit agencies and termination of the account.
The only consumer charge cards remaining in the US are from American Express, who also has credit cards. However, unlike Europe, there is relatively wide acceptance of AMEX. In the travel industry, including hotels and rental cars, acceptance is virtually guaranteed.
These charge cards are preferred by affluent consumers who pay their balances in full anyway. (Some corporate cards are actually charge because it is not expected that a large company will carry a balance)
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My understanding is that the economy there incentivises the people to
use credit cards, and eventually spend money they don't have.
Interest on debt provides a direct incentive to only spend money you have, but there is incentive to use credit cards in general as they provide a buffer between your money and fraudulent charges as well as commonly having some sort of reward program. Many people do fall into a trap of spending more than they should because they have access to credit, which ends up costing them much more over time due to interest.
Is it possible to live in U.S. and use a debit card rather than a
credit card, just like it works in Europe. So that I'm unable to spend
more money than what I have on my savings account?
Credit cards are very common in the US, but ~25-30% of consumers do not have any. Most debit cards in the US use the same transaction processing companies as credit cards (Visa/Mastercard/etc.), so living with debit cards instead of credit cards is typically not an issue.
The main issue you'd likely encounter when using a debit card instead of a credit card in the US is with things like hotel reservations and car rentals where the merchant will place a hold for some amount that will be released when the final transaction is processed. With a credit card, you'd never see this unless you were pushing up against your credit limit, with a debit card however you need to have funds in the account sufficient enough for holds and any actual charges. Not a huge issue typically, but it's important to have plenty of funds in your account when traveling on a debit card.
How many of those ~25-30% of consumers are the underclass?
– RonJohn
10 hours ago
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@RonJohn Not sure, but I bet the majority because there's also ~10% of people in the US that have no bank accounts at all and they are almost exclusively very low-income individuals.
– Hart CO
10 hours ago
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And gas pumps can put really large holds on debit cards sometimes.
– tpg2114
4 hours ago
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My understanding is that the economy there incentivises the people to
use credit cards, and eventually spend money they don't have.
Interest on debt provides a direct incentive to only spend money you have, but there is incentive to use credit cards in general as they provide a buffer between your money and fraudulent charges as well as commonly having some sort of reward program. Many people do fall into a trap of spending more than they should because they have access to credit, which ends up costing them much more over time due to interest.
Is it possible to live in U.S. and use a debit card rather than a
credit card, just like it works in Europe. So that I'm unable to spend
more money than what I have on my savings account?
Credit cards are very common in the US, but ~25-30% of consumers do not have any. Most debit cards in the US use the same transaction processing companies as credit cards (Visa/Mastercard/etc.), so living with debit cards instead of credit cards is typically not an issue.
The main issue you'd likely encounter when using a debit card instead of a credit card in the US is with things like hotel reservations and car rentals where the merchant will place a hold for some amount that will be released when the final transaction is processed. With a credit card, you'd never see this unless you were pushing up against your credit limit, with a debit card however you need to have funds in the account sufficient enough for holds and any actual charges. Not a huge issue typically, but it's important to have plenty of funds in your account when traveling on a debit card.
How many of those ~25-30% of consumers are the underclass?
– RonJohn
10 hours ago
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@RonJohn Not sure, but I bet the majority because there's also ~10% of people in the US that have no bank accounts at all and they are almost exclusively very low-income individuals.
– Hart CO
10 hours ago
1
And gas pumps can put really large holds on debit cards sometimes.
– tpg2114
4 hours ago
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My understanding is that the economy there incentivises the people to
use credit cards, and eventually spend money they don't have.
Interest on debt provides a direct incentive to only spend money you have, but there is incentive to use credit cards in general as they provide a buffer between your money and fraudulent charges as well as commonly having some sort of reward program. Many people do fall into a trap of spending more than they should because they have access to credit, which ends up costing them much more over time due to interest.
Is it possible to live in U.S. and use a debit card rather than a
credit card, just like it works in Europe. So that I'm unable to spend
more money than what I have on my savings account?
Credit cards are very common in the US, but ~25-30% of consumers do not have any. Most debit cards in the US use the same transaction processing companies as credit cards (Visa/Mastercard/etc.), so living with debit cards instead of credit cards is typically not an issue.
The main issue you'd likely encounter when using a debit card instead of a credit card in the US is with things like hotel reservations and car rentals where the merchant will place a hold for some amount that will be released when the final transaction is processed. With a credit card, you'd never see this unless you were pushing up against your credit limit, with a debit card however you need to have funds in the account sufficient enough for holds and any actual charges. Not a huge issue typically, but it's important to have plenty of funds in your account when traveling on a debit card.
My understanding is that the economy there incentivises the people to
use credit cards, and eventually spend money they don't have.
Interest on debt provides a direct incentive to only spend money you have, but there is incentive to use credit cards in general as they provide a buffer between your money and fraudulent charges as well as commonly having some sort of reward program. Many people do fall into a trap of spending more than they should because they have access to credit, which ends up costing them much more over time due to interest.
Is it possible to live in U.S. and use a debit card rather than a
credit card, just like it works in Europe. So that I'm unable to spend
more money than what I have on my savings account?
Credit cards are very common in the US, but ~25-30% of consumers do not have any. Most debit cards in the US use the same transaction processing companies as credit cards (Visa/Mastercard/etc.), so living with debit cards instead of credit cards is typically not an issue.
The main issue you'd likely encounter when using a debit card instead of a credit card in the US is with things like hotel reservations and car rentals where the merchant will place a hold for some amount that will be released when the final transaction is processed. With a credit card, you'd never see this unless you were pushing up against your credit limit, with a debit card however you need to have funds in the account sufficient enough for holds and any actual charges. Not a huge issue typically, but it's important to have plenty of funds in your account when traveling on a debit card.
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How many of those ~25-30% of consumers are the underclass?
– RonJohn
10 hours ago
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@RonJohn Not sure, but I bet the majority because there's also ~10% of people in the US that have no bank accounts at all and they are almost exclusively very low-income individuals.
– Hart CO
10 hours ago
1
And gas pumps can put really large holds on debit cards sometimes.
– tpg2114
4 hours ago
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How many of those ~25-30% of consumers are the underclass?
– RonJohn
10 hours ago
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@RonJohn Not sure, but I bet the majority because there's also ~10% of people in the US that have no bank accounts at all and they are almost exclusively very low-income individuals.
– Hart CO
10 hours ago
1
And gas pumps can put really large holds on debit cards sometimes.
– tpg2114
4 hours ago
How many of those ~25-30% of consumers are the underclass?
– RonJohn
10 hours ago
How many of those ~25-30% of consumers are the underclass?
– RonJohn
10 hours ago
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@RonJohn Not sure, but I bet the majority because there's also ~10% of people in the US that have no bank accounts at all and they are almost exclusively very low-income individuals.
– Hart CO
10 hours ago
@RonJohn Not sure, but I bet the majority because there's also ~10% of people in the US that have no bank accounts at all and they are almost exclusively very low-income individuals.
– Hart CO
10 hours ago
1
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And gas pumps can put really large holds on debit cards sometimes.
– tpg2114
4 hours ago
And gas pumps can put really large holds on debit cards sometimes.
– tpg2114
4 hours ago
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Is it possible to live in U.S. and use a debit card rather than a credit card, just like it works in Europe. So that I'm unable to spend more money than what I have on my savings account?
Yes. My son did it for quite a while.
There are things you can't do, though, like rent a car. And reserving a hotel will require a large balance in your checking account because they will put a very large (like US$1500) hold on your account to ensure you have enough money to pay them.
the economy there incentivises the people to use credit cards, and eventually spend money they don't have.
Advertisers try to convince you to spend, spend, spend. The antidotes are to #1 be disciplined and #2 not watch advertisements.
I know credit cards are needed to create a credit score, but I'm not use I understand the implications.
They make it easy to start a credit history, but aren't mandatory.
Many -- but not all -- apartment owners won't rent to someone without a credit score, but it's been a long time since I've had to rent, so I don't know how prevalent it is.
BOTTOM LINE: credit cards don't force you to go into debt. I went for a few years heavily using my CC every month, and had no debt because I paid the card off every week. Essentially, I used it as a debit card. Why didn't I just use a DC? Rewards points (which you probably won't get), and fraud protection.
So, if you can be disciplined, then get/use a CC. Not everyone can be. For a long time, my ex-wife and I weren't but now we are.
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You can definitely rent a car, reserve a hotel, etc using a debit card.
– gwar9
2 hours ago
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Is it possible to live in U.S. and use a debit card rather than a credit card, just like it works in Europe. So that I'm unable to spend more money than what I have on my savings account?
Yes. My son did it for quite a while.
There are things you can't do, though, like rent a car. And reserving a hotel will require a large balance in your checking account because they will put a very large (like US$1500) hold on your account to ensure you have enough money to pay them.
the economy there incentivises the people to use credit cards, and eventually spend money they don't have.
Advertisers try to convince you to spend, spend, spend. The antidotes are to #1 be disciplined and #2 not watch advertisements.
I know credit cards are needed to create a credit score, but I'm not use I understand the implications.
They make it easy to start a credit history, but aren't mandatory.
Many -- but not all -- apartment owners won't rent to someone without a credit score, but it's been a long time since I've had to rent, so I don't know how prevalent it is.
BOTTOM LINE: credit cards don't force you to go into debt. I went for a few years heavily using my CC every month, and had no debt because I paid the card off every week. Essentially, I used it as a debit card. Why didn't I just use a DC? Rewards points (which you probably won't get), and fraud protection.
So, if you can be disciplined, then get/use a CC. Not everyone can be. For a long time, my ex-wife and I weren't but now we are.
1
You can definitely rent a car, reserve a hotel, etc using a debit card.
– gwar9
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Is it possible to live in U.S. and use a debit card rather than a credit card, just like it works in Europe. So that I'm unable to spend more money than what I have on my savings account?
Yes. My son did it for quite a while.
There are things you can't do, though, like rent a car. And reserving a hotel will require a large balance in your checking account because they will put a very large (like US$1500) hold on your account to ensure you have enough money to pay them.
the economy there incentivises the people to use credit cards, and eventually spend money they don't have.
Advertisers try to convince you to spend, spend, spend. The antidotes are to #1 be disciplined and #2 not watch advertisements.
I know credit cards are needed to create a credit score, but I'm not use I understand the implications.
They make it easy to start a credit history, but aren't mandatory.
Many -- but not all -- apartment owners won't rent to someone without a credit score, but it's been a long time since I've had to rent, so I don't know how prevalent it is.
BOTTOM LINE: credit cards don't force you to go into debt. I went for a few years heavily using my CC every month, and had no debt because I paid the card off every week. Essentially, I used it as a debit card. Why didn't I just use a DC? Rewards points (which you probably won't get), and fraud protection.
So, if you can be disciplined, then get/use a CC. Not everyone can be. For a long time, my ex-wife and I weren't but now we are.
Is it possible to live in U.S. and use a debit card rather than a credit card, just like it works in Europe. So that I'm unable to spend more money than what I have on my savings account?
Yes. My son did it for quite a while.
There are things you can't do, though, like rent a car. And reserving a hotel will require a large balance in your checking account because they will put a very large (like US$1500) hold on your account to ensure you have enough money to pay them.
the economy there incentivises the people to use credit cards, and eventually spend money they don't have.
Advertisers try to convince you to spend, spend, spend. The antidotes are to #1 be disciplined and #2 not watch advertisements.
I know credit cards are needed to create a credit score, but I'm not use I understand the implications.
They make it easy to start a credit history, but aren't mandatory.
Many -- but not all -- apartment owners won't rent to someone without a credit score, but it's been a long time since I've had to rent, so I don't know how prevalent it is.
BOTTOM LINE: credit cards don't force you to go into debt. I went for a few years heavily using my CC every month, and had no debt because I paid the card off every week. Essentially, I used it as a debit card. Why didn't I just use a DC? Rewards points (which you probably won't get), and fraud protection.
So, if you can be disciplined, then get/use a CC. Not everyone can be. For a long time, my ex-wife and I weren't but now we are.
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You can definitely rent a car, reserve a hotel, etc using a debit card.
– gwar9
2 hours ago
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You can definitely rent a car, reserve a hotel, etc using a debit card.
– gwar9
2 hours ago
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You can definitely rent a car, reserve a hotel, etc using a debit card.
– gwar9
2 hours ago
You can definitely rent a car, reserve a hotel, etc using a debit card.
– gwar9
2 hours ago
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Just to add to the other answers, I would point out some statistics on the use of debit cards vs. credit cards: most non-cash payments in the United States are made using debit cards:
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Here is a survey a 2017 survey in which payment processor TSYS asked over 1,000 consumers which payment form they prefer. 44% chose debit cards, while 33% selected credit card:
From your pyramids, can you explain what "ACH Credit Transfer" and "ACH Debit Transfer" are and how they relate to "Debit Cards" and "Credit Cards"?
– axsvl77
5 hours ago
@axsvl77: ACH transfers are electronic movement of money directly from one bank account to another. An ACH credit transfer is where the entity initiating the transaction "pushes" money into another account; a common case is direct deposit of paychecks. An ACH debit transfer is where the initiating party "pulls" funds out of another account; a common case is automatic debits set up to pay bills.
– BrenBarn
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Just to add to the other answers, I would point out some statistics on the use of debit cards vs. credit cards: most non-cash payments in the United States are made using debit cards:
image source
Here is a survey a 2017 survey in which payment processor TSYS asked over 1,000 consumers which payment form they prefer. 44% chose debit cards, while 33% selected credit card:
From your pyramids, can you explain what "ACH Credit Transfer" and "ACH Debit Transfer" are and how they relate to "Debit Cards" and "Credit Cards"?
– axsvl77
5 hours ago
@axsvl77: ACH transfers are electronic movement of money directly from one bank account to another. An ACH credit transfer is where the entity initiating the transaction "pushes" money into another account; a common case is direct deposit of paychecks. An ACH debit transfer is where the initiating party "pulls" funds out of another account; a common case is automatic debits set up to pay bills.
– BrenBarn
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Just to add to the other answers, I would point out some statistics on the use of debit cards vs. credit cards: most non-cash payments in the United States are made using debit cards:
image source
Here is a survey a 2017 survey in which payment processor TSYS asked over 1,000 consumers which payment form they prefer. 44% chose debit cards, while 33% selected credit card:
Just to add to the other answers, I would point out some statistics on the use of debit cards vs. credit cards: most non-cash payments in the United States are made using debit cards:
image source
Here is a survey a 2017 survey in which payment processor TSYS asked over 1,000 consumers which payment form they prefer. 44% chose debit cards, while 33% selected credit card:
answered 9 hours ago
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From your pyramids, can you explain what "ACH Credit Transfer" and "ACH Debit Transfer" are and how they relate to "Debit Cards" and "Credit Cards"?
– axsvl77
5 hours ago
@axsvl77: ACH transfers are electronic movement of money directly from one bank account to another. An ACH credit transfer is where the entity initiating the transaction "pushes" money into another account; a common case is direct deposit of paychecks. An ACH debit transfer is where the initiating party "pulls" funds out of another account; a common case is automatic debits set up to pay bills.
– BrenBarn
4 hours ago
add a comment |
From your pyramids, can you explain what "ACH Credit Transfer" and "ACH Debit Transfer" are and how they relate to "Debit Cards" and "Credit Cards"?
– axsvl77
5 hours ago
@axsvl77: ACH transfers are electronic movement of money directly from one bank account to another. An ACH credit transfer is where the entity initiating the transaction "pushes" money into another account; a common case is direct deposit of paychecks. An ACH debit transfer is where the initiating party "pulls" funds out of another account; a common case is automatic debits set up to pay bills.
– BrenBarn
4 hours ago
From your pyramids, can you explain what "ACH Credit Transfer" and "ACH Debit Transfer" are and how they relate to "Debit Cards" and "Credit Cards"?
– axsvl77
5 hours ago
From your pyramids, can you explain what "ACH Credit Transfer" and "ACH Debit Transfer" are and how they relate to "Debit Cards" and "Credit Cards"?
– axsvl77
5 hours ago
@axsvl77: ACH transfers are electronic movement of money directly from one bank account to another. An ACH credit transfer is where the entity initiating the transaction "pushes" money into another account; a common case is direct deposit of paychecks. An ACH debit transfer is where the initiating party "pulls" funds out of another account; a common case is automatic debits set up to pay bills.
– BrenBarn
4 hours ago
@axsvl77: ACH transfers are electronic movement of money directly from one bank account to another. An ACH credit transfer is where the entity initiating the transaction "pushes" money into another account; a common case is direct deposit of paychecks. An ACH debit transfer is where the initiating party "pulls" funds out of another account; a common case is automatic debits set up to pay bills.
– BrenBarn
4 hours ago
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Is it possible to live in U.S. and use a debit card rather than a credit card, just like it works in Europe. So that I'm unable to spend more money than what I have on my savings account?
Yes, it is completely possible. Dave Ramsey advocates for this on his national finance radio show. There are millions of people doing this already!
Alternatively, use a credit card but disable the possibility to spend more money than the one I have on my account.
These are called secured cards. Essentially you open a bank account and put money into it, say $1000, then the bank issues you a card with a $1000 limit. If you don't pay, the bank uses the account balance to pay it off.
The main reason people in America use credit cards over debit cards are
- Any thief that get a hold of it can clean out your bank account. Now rent, mortgage, car payment, etc can't be paid until it gets straightened out.
- Debit cards have overdraft fees if you don't have money in your account. If you don't have money, the bank will charge you an overdraft fee, $20 seems common. The barista at your favorite coffee shop may run your card 2 or 3 times to make sure it doesn't work, so $20*3 = $60 you don't have
- It's more difficult to reserve cars and hotels since a debit card hold = money missing from your account
- Secured cards are surprisingly popular, and essentially mean that even the most debt aversed person can have a credit card.
- Most credit cards offer airline miles, cash-back, points, or other incentives for spending on them. You're essentially turning away free money.
EDIT:
In the U.S. a debit card can be run as a credit card, which here means swipe + signature (not a PIN). If you use a debit card at a sit-down restaurant the server will run it as a credit card and bring you a check to sign. Same if you buy online, you can use your debit card as a credit card and no PIN is required.
It's only been recently that the U.S. has (mostly) moved to chip (EMV) protected credit cards due to a rash of data breaches. The U.S. simply doesn't have the protection around card transactions that Europe has.
Even with significant nudging from lawmakers to use the more secure chip cards, some places still just want a swipe + signature (very insecure). As of Oct 1, 2015 if a merchant doesn't use a chip card, they cannot claim a fraudulent transaction and must eat the loss themselves.
Can you please elaborate a bit on the number 1? I mean how would that actually work? Here in Europe, you'd need the PIN for use of ATMs, and it's in general not so easy to impersonate someone in a bank and get money that way. I don't see any other way a debit card could be used to get the money out of an account.
– AndrejaKo
9 hours ago
@AndrejaKo Not all transactions require pin in US, online orders, for example where the card is not physically present. While covered against fraudulent purchases, it could take time to resolve, leaving you temporarily without funds.
– Hart CO
8 hours ago
@AndrejaKo also, a lot of debit cards in the US can be scanned as credit cards (scan/insert + signature) rather than debit cards (scan/insert + PIN)
– Stephen S
7 hours ago
Overdraft fees are probably closer to $35 than $20. You don't get charged one unless the bank actually honors the charge that puts you negative (so running a card more than once to check it won't create more than one overdraft charge). Still expensive and pointless.
– nomen
48 mins ago
add a comment |
Is it possible to live in U.S. and use a debit card rather than a credit card, just like it works in Europe. So that I'm unable to spend more money than what I have on my savings account?
Yes, it is completely possible. Dave Ramsey advocates for this on his national finance radio show. There are millions of people doing this already!
Alternatively, use a credit card but disable the possibility to spend more money than the one I have on my account.
These are called secured cards. Essentially you open a bank account and put money into it, say $1000, then the bank issues you a card with a $1000 limit. If you don't pay, the bank uses the account balance to pay it off.
The main reason people in America use credit cards over debit cards are
- Any thief that get a hold of it can clean out your bank account. Now rent, mortgage, car payment, etc can't be paid until it gets straightened out.
- Debit cards have overdraft fees if you don't have money in your account. If you don't have money, the bank will charge you an overdraft fee, $20 seems common. The barista at your favorite coffee shop may run your card 2 or 3 times to make sure it doesn't work, so $20*3 = $60 you don't have
- It's more difficult to reserve cars and hotels since a debit card hold = money missing from your account
- Secured cards are surprisingly popular, and essentially mean that even the most debt aversed person can have a credit card.
- Most credit cards offer airline miles, cash-back, points, or other incentives for spending on them. You're essentially turning away free money.
EDIT:
In the U.S. a debit card can be run as a credit card, which here means swipe + signature (not a PIN). If you use a debit card at a sit-down restaurant the server will run it as a credit card and bring you a check to sign. Same if you buy online, you can use your debit card as a credit card and no PIN is required.
It's only been recently that the U.S. has (mostly) moved to chip (EMV) protected credit cards due to a rash of data breaches. The U.S. simply doesn't have the protection around card transactions that Europe has.
Even with significant nudging from lawmakers to use the more secure chip cards, some places still just want a swipe + signature (very insecure). As of Oct 1, 2015 if a merchant doesn't use a chip card, they cannot claim a fraudulent transaction and must eat the loss themselves.
Can you please elaborate a bit on the number 1? I mean how would that actually work? Here in Europe, you'd need the PIN for use of ATMs, and it's in general not so easy to impersonate someone in a bank and get money that way. I don't see any other way a debit card could be used to get the money out of an account.
– AndrejaKo
9 hours ago
@AndrejaKo Not all transactions require pin in US, online orders, for example where the card is not physically present. While covered against fraudulent purchases, it could take time to resolve, leaving you temporarily without funds.
– Hart CO
8 hours ago
@AndrejaKo also, a lot of debit cards in the US can be scanned as credit cards (scan/insert + signature) rather than debit cards (scan/insert + PIN)
– Stephen S
7 hours ago
Overdraft fees are probably closer to $35 than $20. You don't get charged one unless the bank actually honors the charge that puts you negative (so running a card more than once to check it won't create more than one overdraft charge). Still expensive and pointless.
– nomen
48 mins ago
add a comment |
Is it possible to live in U.S. and use a debit card rather than a credit card, just like it works in Europe. So that I'm unable to spend more money than what I have on my savings account?
Yes, it is completely possible. Dave Ramsey advocates for this on his national finance radio show. There are millions of people doing this already!
Alternatively, use a credit card but disable the possibility to spend more money than the one I have on my account.
These are called secured cards. Essentially you open a bank account and put money into it, say $1000, then the bank issues you a card with a $1000 limit. If you don't pay, the bank uses the account balance to pay it off.
The main reason people in America use credit cards over debit cards are
- Any thief that get a hold of it can clean out your bank account. Now rent, mortgage, car payment, etc can't be paid until it gets straightened out.
- Debit cards have overdraft fees if you don't have money in your account. If you don't have money, the bank will charge you an overdraft fee, $20 seems common. The barista at your favorite coffee shop may run your card 2 or 3 times to make sure it doesn't work, so $20*3 = $60 you don't have
- It's more difficult to reserve cars and hotels since a debit card hold = money missing from your account
- Secured cards are surprisingly popular, and essentially mean that even the most debt aversed person can have a credit card.
- Most credit cards offer airline miles, cash-back, points, or other incentives for spending on them. You're essentially turning away free money.
EDIT:
In the U.S. a debit card can be run as a credit card, which here means swipe + signature (not a PIN). If you use a debit card at a sit-down restaurant the server will run it as a credit card and bring you a check to sign. Same if you buy online, you can use your debit card as a credit card and no PIN is required.
It's only been recently that the U.S. has (mostly) moved to chip (EMV) protected credit cards due to a rash of data breaches. The U.S. simply doesn't have the protection around card transactions that Europe has.
Even with significant nudging from lawmakers to use the more secure chip cards, some places still just want a swipe + signature (very insecure). As of Oct 1, 2015 if a merchant doesn't use a chip card, they cannot claim a fraudulent transaction and must eat the loss themselves.
Is it possible to live in U.S. and use a debit card rather than a credit card, just like it works in Europe. So that I'm unable to spend more money than what I have on my savings account?
Yes, it is completely possible. Dave Ramsey advocates for this on his national finance radio show. There are millions of people doing this already!
Alternatively, use a credit card but disable the possibility to spend more money than the one I have on my account.
These are called secured cards. Essentially you open a bank account and put money into it, say $1000, then the bank issues you a card with a $1000 limit. If you don't pay, the bank uses the account balance to pay it off.
The main reason people in America use credit cards over debit cards are
- Any thief that get a hold of it can clean out your bank account. Now rent, mortgage, car payment, etc can't be paid until it gets straightened out.
- Debit cards have overdraft fees if you don't have money in your account. If you don't have money, the bank will charge you an overdraft fee, $20 seems common. The barista at your favorite coffee shop may run your card 2 or 3 times to make sure it doesn't work, so $20*3 = $60 you don't have
- It's more difficult to reserve cars and hotels since a debit card hold = money missing from your account
- Secured cards are surprisingly popular, and essentially mean that even the most debt aversed person can have a credit card.
- Most credit cards offer airline miles, cash-back, points, or other incentives for spending on them. You're essentially turning away free money.
EDIT:
In the U.S. a debit card can be run as a credit card, which here means swipe + signature (not a PIN). If you use a debit card at a sit-down restaurant the server will run it as a credit card and bring you a check to sign. Same if you buy online, you can use your debit card as a credit card and no PIN is required.
It's only been recently that the U.S. has (mostly) moved to chip (EMV) protected credit cards due to a rash of data breaches. The U.S. simply doesn't have the protection around card transactions that Europe has.
Even with significant nudging from lawmakers to use the more secure chip cards, some places still just want a swipe + signature (very insecure). As of Oct 1, 2015 if a merchant doesn't use a chip card, they cannot claim a fraudulent transaction and must eat the loss themselves.
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Can you please elaborate a bit on the number 1? I mean how would that actually work? Here in Europe, you'd need the PIN for use of ATMs, and it's in general not so easy to impersonate someone in a bank and get money that way. I don't see any other way a debit card could be used to get the money out of an account.
– AndrejaKo
9 hours ago
@AndrejaKo Not all transactions require pin in US, online orders, for example where the card is not physically present. While covered against fraudulent purchases, it could take time to resolve, leaving you temporarily without funds.
– Hart CO
8 hours ago
@AndrejaKo also, a lot of debit cards in the US can be scanned as credit cards (scan/insert + signature) rather than debit cards (scan/insert + PIN)
– Stephen S
7 hours ago
Overdraft fees are probably closer to $35 than $20. You don't get charged one unless the bank actually honors the charge that puts you negative (so running a card more than once to check it won't create more than one overdraft charge). Still expensive and pointless.
– nomen
48 mins ago
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Can you please elaborate a bit on the number 1? I mean how would that actually work? Here in Europe, you'd need the PIN for use of ATMs, and it's in general not so easy to impersonate someone in a bank and get money that way. I don't see any other way a debit card could be used to get the money out of an account.
– AndrejaKo
9 hours ago
@AndrejaKo Not all transactions require pin in US, online orders, for example where the card is not physically present. While covered against fraudulent purchases, it could take time to resolve, leaving you temporarily without funds.
– Hart CO
8 hours ago
@AndrejaKo also, a lot of debit cards in the US can be scanned as credit cards (scan/insert + signature) rather than debit cards (scan/insert + PIN)
– Stephen S
7 hours ago
Overdraft fees are probably closer to $35 than $20. You don't get charged one unless the bank actually honors the charge that puts you negative (so running a card more than once to check it won't create more than one overdraft charge). Still expensive and pointless.
– nomen
48 mins ago
Can you please elaborate a bit on the number 1? I mean how would that actually work? Here in Europe, you'd need the PIN for use of ATMs, and it's in general not so easy to impersonate someone in a bank and get money that way. I don't see any other way a debit card could be used to get the money out of an account.
– AndrejaKo
9 hours ago
Can you please elaborate a bit on the number 1? I mean how would that actually work? Here in Europe, you'd need the PIN for use of ATMs, and it's in general not so easy to impersonate someone in a bank and get money that way. I don't see any other way a debit card could be used to get the money out of an account.
– AndrejaKo
9 hours ago
@AndrejaKo Not all transactions require pin in US, online orders, for example where the card is not physically present. While covered against fraudulent purchases, it could take time to resolve, leaving you temporarily without funds.
– Hart CO
8 hours ago
@AndrejaKo Not all transactions require pin in US, online orders, for example where the card is not physically present. While covered against fraudulent purchases, it could take time to resolve, leaving you temporarily without funds.
– Hart CO
8 hours ago
@AndrejaKo also, a lot of debit cards in the US can be scanned as credit cards (scan/insert + signature) rather than debit cards (scan/insert + PIN)
– Stephen S
7 hours ago
@AndrejaKo also, a lot of debit cards in the US can be scanned as credit cards (scan/insert + signature) rather than debit cards (scan/insert + PIN)
– Stephen S
7 hours ago
Overdraft fees are probably closer to $35 than $20. You don't get charged one unless the bank actually honors the charge that puts you negative (so running a card more than once to check it won't create more than one overdraft charge). Still expensive and pointless.
– nomen
48 mins ago
Overdraft fees are probably closer to $35 than $20. You don't get charged one unless the bank actually honors the charge that puts you negative (so running a card more than once to check it won't create more than one overdraft charge). Still expensive and pointless.
– nomen
48 mins ago
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You can easily live without a credit card in the US, but you might not do yourself a favor:
- not using the benefits of credit cards if you could is a loss for you - no free flights, cash back, etc.
- debit cards - contrary to Europe - offer little to no protection, every skimmer will empty your bank account and you are on your own with the problem.
- you can't secure hotel bookings and rental cars without parking and locking hundreds or thousands in your account
- with credit cards, you can revoke any fraud charge, no problems, and you never pay the frauded money, not even temporarily
- many people manage to pay their credit cards off fully every month, and never pay a cent of interest. That takes a bit of your personal willpower, though, and yes, many others don't have that, and end up overspending and bleeding interest for the rest of their life.
1
When you say that "debit cards... offer little to no protection", are US-issued debit cards any different in their security from European debit cards?
– svavil
9 hours ago
"debit cards... offer little to no protection" is simply incorrect. There are legal liability limits but most banks will extend the protections to $0. On top of that, debit cards have some daily limit imposed by the bank, as well as the usual anti-fraud algorithms, so "emptying out" will not happen.
– user71659
8 hours ago
2
@user71659 , the problem is that you are out of the money while your fraud complaint gets processed. It can take weeks to get your money back, all the time your account is empty, and all charges fail (producing fat fees). Try it, if you don't believe it.
– Aganju
8 hours ago
@Aganju Incorrect again. In the case of any reasonable dispute, banks will issue a provisional credit until the complaint is resolved. Been there, done that. This is no different from credit cards, the provisional credit for a fraudulent transaction there suspends your requirement to pay for it.
– user71659
6 hours ago
well the internet says different; fist match in Google: google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/… - scroll down a bit. There are hundreds of sources that all say the same.
– Aganju
5 hours ago
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You can easily live without a credit card in the US, but you might not do yourself a favor:
- not using the benefits of credit cards if you could is a loss for you - no free flights, cash back, etc.
- debit cards - contrary to Europe - offer little to no protection, every skimmer will empty your bank account and you are on your own with the problem.
- you can't secure hotel bookings and rental cars without parking and locking hundreds or thousands in your account
- with credit cards, you can revoke any fraud charge, no problems, and you never pay the frauded money, not even temporarily
- many people manage to pay their credit cards off fully every month, and never pay a cent of interest. That takes a bit of your personal willpower, though, and yes, many others don't have that, and end up overspending and bleeding interest for the rest of their life.
1
When you say that "debit cards... offer little to no protection", are US-issued debit cards any different in their security from European debit cards?
– svavil
9 hours ago
"debit cards... offer little to no protection" is simply incorrect. There are legal liability limits but most banks will extend the protections to $0. On top of that, debit cards have some daily limit imposed by the bank, as well as the usual anti-fraud algorithms, so "emptying out" will not happen.
– user71659
8 hours ago
2
@user71659 , the problem is that you are out of the money while your fraud complaint gets processed. It can take weeks to get your money back, all the time your account is empty, and all charges fail (producing fat fees). Try it, if you don't believe it.
– Aganju
8 hours ago
@Aganju Incorrect again. In the case of any reasonable dispute, banks will issue a provisional credit until the complaint is resolved. Been there, done that. This is no different from credit cards, the provisional credit for a fraudulent transaction there suspends your requirement to pay for it.
– user71659
6 hours ago
well the internet says different; fist match in Google: google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/… - scroll down a bit. There are hundreds of sources that all say the same.
– Aganju
5 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
You can easily live without a credit card in the US, but you might not do yourself a favor:
- not using the benefits of credit cards if you could is a loss for you - no free flights, cash back, etc.
- debit cards - contrary to Europe - offer little to no protection, every skimmer will empty your bank account and you are on your own with the problem.
- you can't secure hotel bookings and rental cars without parking and locking hundreds or thousands in your account
- with credit cards, you can revoke any fraud charge, no problems, and you never pay the frauded money, not even temporarily
- many people manage to pay their credit cards off fully every month, and never pay a cent of interest. That takes a bit of your personal willpower, though, and yes, many others don't have that, and end up overspending and bleeding interest for the rest of their life.
You can easily live without a credit card in the US, but you might not do yourself a favor:
- not using the benefits of credit cards if you could is a loss for you - no free flights, cash back, etc.
- debit cards - contrary to Europe - offer little to no protection, every skimmer will empty your bank account and you are on your own with the problem.
- you can't secure hotel bookings and rental cars without parking and locking hundreds or thousands in your account
- with credit cards, you can revoke any fraud charge, no problems, and you never pay the frauded money, not even temporarily
- many people manage to pay their credit cards off fully every month, and never pay a cent of interest. That takes a bit of your personal willpower, though, and yes, many others don't have that, and end up overspending and bleeding interest for the rest of their life.
answered 11 hours ago
AganjuAganju
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When you say that "debit cards... offer little to no protection", are US-issued debit cards any different in their security from European debit cards?
– svavil
9 hours ago
"debit cards... offer little to no protection" is simply incorrect. There are legal liability limits but most banks will extend the protections to $0. On top of that, debit cards have some daily limit imposed by the bank, as well as the usual anti-fraud algorithms, so "emptying out" will not happen.
– user71659
8 hours ago
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@user71659 , the problem is that you are out of the money while your fraud complaint gets processed. It can take weeks to get your money back, all the time your account is empty, and all charges fail (producing fat fees). Try it, if you don't believe it.
– Aganju
8 hours ago
@Aganju Incorrect again. In the case of any reasonable dispute, banks will issue a provisional credit until the complaint is resolved. Been there, done that. This is no different from credit cards, the provisional credit for a fraudulent transaction there suspends your requirement to pay for it.
– user71659
6 hours ago
well the internet says different; fist match in Google: google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/… - scroll down a bit. There are hundreds of sources that all say the same.
– Aganju
5 hours ago
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When you say that "debit cards... offer little to no protection", are US-issued debit cards any different in their security from European debit cards?
– svavil
9 hours ago
"debit cards... offer little to no protection" is simply incorrect. There are legal liability limits but most banks will extend the protections to $0. On top of that, debit cards have some daily limit imposed by the bank, as well as the usual anti-fraud algorithms, so "emptying out" will not happen.
– user71659
8 hours ago
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@user71659 , the problem is that you are out of the money while your fraud complaint gets processed. It can take weeks to get your money back, all the time your account is empty, and all charges fail (producing fat fees). Try it, if you don't believe it.
– Aganju
8 hours ago
@Aganju Incorrect again. In the case of any reasonable dispute, banks will issue a provisional credit until the complaint is resolved. Been there, done that. This is no different from credit cards, the provisional credit for a fraudulent transaction there suspends your requirement to pay for it.
– user71659
6 hours ago
well the internet says different; fist match in Google: google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/… - scroll down a bit. There are hundreds of sources that all say the same.
– Aganju
5 hours ago
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When you say that "debit cards... offer little to no protection", are US-issued debit cards any different in their security from European debit cards?
– svavil
9 hours ago
When you say that "debit cards... offer little to no protection", are US-issued debit cards any different in their security from European debit cards?
– svavil
9 hours ago
"debit cards... offer little to no protection" is simply incorrect. There are legal liability limits but most banks will extend the protections to $0. On top of that, debit cards have some daily limit imposed by the bank, as well as the usual anti-fraud algorithms, so "emptying out" will not happen.
– user71659
8 hours ago
"debit cards... offer little to no protection" is simply incorrect. There are legal liability limits but most banks will extend the protections to $0. On top of that, debit cards have some daily limit imposed by the bank, as well as the usual anti-fraud algorithms, so "emptying out" will not happen.
– user71659
8 hours ago
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@user71659 , the problem is that you are out of the money while your fraud complaint gets processed. It can take weeks to get your money back, all the time your account is empty, and all charges fail (producing fat fees). Try it, if you don't believe it.
– Aganju
8 hours ago
@user71659 , the problem is that you are out of the money while your fraud complaint gets processed. It can take weeks to get your money back, all the time your account is empty, and all charges fail (producing fat fees). Try it, if you don't believe it.
– Aganju
8 hours ago
@Aganju Incorrect again. In the case of any reasonable dispute, banks will issue a provisional credit until the complaint is resolved. Been there, done that. This is no different from credit cards, the provisional credit for a fraudulent transaction there suspends your requirement to pay for it.
– user71659
6 hours ago
@Aganju Incorrect again. In the case of any reasonable dispute, banks will issue a provisional credit until the complaint is resolved. Been there, done that. This is no different from credit cards, the provisional credit for a fraudulent transaction there suspends your requirement to pay for it.
– user71659
6 hours ago
well the internet says different; fist match in Google: google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/… - scroll down a bit. There are hundreds of sources that all say the same.
– Aganju
5 hours ago
well the internet says different; fist match in Google: google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/… - scroll down a bit. There are hundreds of sources that all say the same.
– Aganju
5 hours ago
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An option that combines the benefits of credit cards without the temptation of credit lines is the charge card. A charge card works similarly to a credit card except you must pay new charges entirely every month. You are not allowed to carry any balance over, under penalties of reporting to credit agencies and termination of the account.
The only consumer charge cards remaining in the US are from American Express, who also has credit cards. However, unlike Europe, there is relatively wide acceptance of AMEX. In the travel industry, including hotels and rental cars, acceptance is virtually guaranteed.
These charge cards are preferred by affluent consumers who pay their balances in full anyway. (Some corporate cards are actually charge because it is not expected that a large company will carry a balance)
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An option that combines the benefits of credit cards without the temptation of credit lines is the charge card. A charge card works similarly to a credit card except you must pay new charges entirely every month. You are not allowed to carry any balance over, under penalties of reporting to credit agencies and termination of the account.
The only consumer charge cards remaining in the US are from American Express, who also has credit cards. However, unlike Europe, there is relatively wide acceptance of AMEX. In the travel industry, including hotels and rental cars, acceptance is virtually guaranteed.
These charge cards are preferred by affluent consumers who pay their balances in full anyway. (Some corporate cards are actually charge because it is not expected that a large company will carry a balance)
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An option that combines the benefits of credit cards without the temptation of credit lines is the charge card. A charge card works similarly to a credit card except you must pay new charges entirely every month. You are not allowed to carry any balance over, under penalties of reporting to credit agencies and termination of the account.
The only consumer charge cards remaining in the US are from American Express, who also has credit cards. However, unlike Europe, there is relatively wide acceptance of AMEX. In the travel industry, including hotels and rental cars, acceptance is virtually guaranteed.
These charge cards are preferred by affluent consumers who pay their balances in full anyway. (Some corporate cards are actually charge because it is not expected that a large company will carry a balance)
An option that combines the benefits of credit cards without the temptation of credit lines is the charge card. A charge card works similarly to a credit card except you must pay new charges entirely every month. You are not allowed to carry any balance over, under penalties of reporting to credit agencies and termination of the account.
The only consumer charge cards remaining in the US are from American Express, who also has credit cards. However, unlike Europe, there is relatively wide acceptance of AMEX. In the travel industry, including hotels and rental cars, acceptance is virtually guaranteed.
These charge cards are preferred by affluent consumers who pay their balances in full anyway. (Some corporate cards are actually charge because it is not expected that a large company will carry a balance)
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While all the answers are good, no-one has actually questioned your assumptions. The way it works in the US and the way it works in Europe are, for your purposes, identical. So you might just as well ask “Can one live in Europe without a credit card” and the existing answers would all be just as valid.
– Vicky
10 hours ago
@Vicky some of the answers pointed out the need of a credit card for hotel reservations. In europe you don't need one to book an hotel, they never put money on hold. So I wouldn't say the situation is the same
– Fez Vrasta
10 hours ago
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@Vicky Many parts of Europe use a different means of consumer borrowing. Instead of credit cards, people have an overdraft facility on their bank accounts. Essentially their debit card becomes credit. In some places, installment plans ("hire purchase") are much more prevalent. But overall, I agree the OP should note that much of Europe has higher household debt, as a percent of disposable income, than the US.
– user71659
9 hours ago
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Credit cards don't force you to live above your means, they just make it easier. I've been paying my credit cards in full every month (except when I've occasionally forgotten) for decades. I use them for convenience, not for borrowing.
– Barmar
7 hours ago
Side note: you don’t need a credit card to have a credit score, just some form of credit history. Last I heard, though, managing several different types of credit for a long period of time did maximize your score. This might or might not be a serious concern for you.
– Davislor
7 hours ago