What are the limitations to using the Shape Water cantrip for cheating and forgery?
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The shape water cantrip has the following description:
Casting Time: 1 action
Range: 30 feet
Components: S
Duration: Instantaneous or 1 hour (see below)
You choose an area of water that you can see within range and that fits within a 5-foot cube. You manipulate it in one of the following ways:
- You instantaneously move or otherwise change the flow of the water as you direct, up to 5 feet in any direction. This movement doesn’t have enough force to cause damage.
- You cause the water to form into simple shapes and animate at your direction. This change lasts for 1 hour.
- You change the water’s color or opacity. The water must be changed in the same way throughout. This change lasts for 1 hour.
- You freeze the water, provided that there are no creatures in it. The water unfreezes in 1 hour.
If you cast this spell multiple times, you can have no more than two of its non-instantaneous effects active at a time, and you can dismiss such an effect as an action.
I have 3 scenarios I have cooked up as an Arcane Trickster rogue to use this cantrip for cheating and forgery (detailed below):
- Cheating at cards
- Cheating at dice
- Forgery
Cheating at cards
I have a deck of blank cards. Theoretically, I can paint the cards with water and "change the water's color". With this in place, given that the other players are holding there cards within the 5x5x5-foot box, I should be able to manipulate the state of the cards simply by recasting the spell (e.g. swap an ace and a two).
Would this setup be counted as one instance of "no more than two of its non-instantaneous effects active at a time", or once per card in the deck?
Cheating at dice
I have a set of blank ivory dice: a cubic frame with six sides. I would fill the frame with water and freeze it. Using holes in place of painted dots would allow ice to show through. By coloring each hole as black or white, I could affect the number of pips shown on each side while all the water stays in continuous contact.
Assuming I'm playing with two dice, and each constitutes one instance of "no more than two of its non-instantaneous effects active at a time", would this pass even the most stringent interpretations of the shape water spell?
Forgery
I have a blank legal document - or better yet, one that has been filled out with information totally irrelevant to my use case (different name, different legal context).
Can I use shape water to paint it and overwrite some or all of the document with the intention that it reverts back to its original wording once the 1-hour duration of the spell ends?
Do I have to remain in the 30-foot range for the shaped water to remain?
I know I have asked multiple questions here, but the underlying theme is the same:
What are the limitations for using shape water for cheating and forgery?
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The shape water cantrip has the following description:
Casting Time: 1 action
Range: 30 feet
Components: S
Duration: Instantaneous or 1 hour (see below)
You choose an area of water that you can see within range and that fits within a 5-foot cube. You manipulate it in one of the following ways:
- You instantaneously move or otherwise change the flow of the water as you direct, up to 5 feet in any direction. This movement doesn’t have enough force to cause damage.
- You cause the water to form into simple shapes and animate at your direction. This change lasts for 1 hour.
- You change the water’s color or opacity. The water must be changed in the same way throughout. This change lasts for 1 hour.
- You freeze the water, provided that there are no creatures in it. The water unfreezes in 1 hour.
If you cast this spell multiple times, you can have no more than two of its non-instantaneous effects active at a time, and you can dismiss such an effect as an action.
I have 3 scenarios I have cooked up as an Arcane Trickster rogue to use this cantrip for cheating and forgery (detailed below):
- Cheating at cards
- Cheating at dice
- Forgery
Cheating at cards
I have a deck of blank cards. Theoretically, I can paint the cards with water and "change the water's color". With this in place, given that the other players are holding there cards within the 5x5x5-foot box, I should be able to manipulate the state of the cards simply by recasting the spell (e.g. swap an ace and a two).
Would this setup be counted as one instance of "no more than two of its non-instantaneous effects active at a time", or once per card in the deck?
Cheating at dice
I have a set of blank ivory dice: a cubic frame with six sides. I would fill the frame with water and freeze it. Using holes in place of painted dots would allow ice to show through. By coloring each hole as black or white, I could affect the number of pips shown on each side while all the water stays in continuous contact.
Assuming I'm playing with two dice, and each constitutes one instance of "no more than two of its non-instantaneous effects active at a time", would this pass even the most stringent interpretations of the shape water spell?
Forgery
I have a blank legal document - or better yet, one that has been filled out with information totally irrelevant to my use case (different name, different legal context).
Can I use shape water to paint it and overwrite some or all of the document with the intention that it reverts back to its original wording once the 1-hour duration of the spell ends?
Do I have to remain in the 30-foot range for the shaped water to remain?
I know I have asked multiple questions here, but the underlying theme is the same:
What are the limitations for using shape water for cheating and forgery?
dnd-5e spells cantrips
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You may be interested in this question and — to a different question — this answer. An illustration of your "dice" would also be extremely useful. (I'm having a hard time figuring out what's meant there!)
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– Hey I Can Chan
16 hours ago
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You might be intrested in this similar question about doing wierd things with shape water: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/122163/…
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11 hours ago
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A made an edit with what I think you meant with your dice idea. If you could verify that it is correct. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out (even after the image) how that idea was supposed to work. In the end I came to the fact that you fill a semi-hollow cube with water, freeze it to ice. Since the dice were blank with holes drilled into it you then change the color of the ice to show pips and in this way you get to manipulate the dice roll. Correct?
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@Rubiksmoose correct
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The shape water cantrip has the following description:
Casting Time: 1 action
Range: 30 feet
Components: S
Duration: Instantaneous or 1 hour (see below)
You choose an area of water that you can see within range and that fits within a 5-foot cube. You manipulate it in one of the following ways:
- You instantaneously move or otherwise change the flow of the water as you direct, up to 5 feet in any direction. This movement doesn’t have enough force to cause damage.
- You cause the water to form into simple shapes and animate at your direction. This change lasts for 1 hour.
- You change the water’s color or opacity. The water must be changed in the same way throughout. This change lasts for 1 hour.
- You freeze the water, provided that there are no creatures in it. The water unfreezes in 1 hour.
If you cast this spell multiple times, you can have no more than two of its non-instantaneous effects active at a time, and you can dismiss such an effect as an action.
I have 3 scenarios I have cooked up as an Arcane Trickster rogue to use this cantrip for cheating and forgery (detailed below):
- Cheating at cards
- Cheating at dice
- Forgery
Cheating at cards
I have a deck of blank cards. Theoretically, I can paint the cards with water and "change the water's color". With this in place, given that the other players are holding there cards within the 5x5x5-foot box, I should be able to manipulate the state of the cards simply by recasting the spell (e.g. swap an ace and a two).
Would this setup be counted as one instance of "no more than two of its non-instantaneous effects active at a time", or once per card in the deck?
Cheating at dice
I have a set of blank ivory dice: a cubic frame with six sides. I would fill the frame with water and freeze it. Using holes in place of painted dots would allow ice to show through. By coloring each hole as black or white, I could affect the number of pips shown on each side while all the water stays in continuous contact.
Assuming I'm playing with two dice, and each constitutes one instance of "no more than two of its non-instantaneous effects active at a time", would this pass even the most stringent interpretations of the shape water spell?
Forgery
I have a blank legal document - or better yet, one that has been filled out with information totally irrelevant to my use case (different name, different legal context).
Can I use shape water to paint it and overwrite some or all of the document with the intention that it reverts back to its original wording once the 1-hour duration of the spell ends?
Do I have to remain in the 30-foot range for the shaped water to remain?
I know I have asked multiple questions here, but the underlying theme is the same:
What are the limitations for using shape water for cheating and forgery?
dnd-5e spells cantrips
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The shape water cantrip has the following description:
Casting Time: 1 action
Range: 30 feet
Components: S
Duration: Instantaneous or 1 hour (see below)
You choose an area of water that you can see within range and that fits within a 5-foot cube. You manipulate it in one of the following ways:
- You instantaneously move or otherwise change the flow of the water as you direct, up to 5 feet in any direction. This movement doesn’t have enough force to cause damage.
- You cause the water to form into simple shapes and animate at your direction. This change lasts for 1 hour.
- You change the water’s color or opacity. The water must be changed in the same way throughout. This change lasts for 1 hour.
- You freeze the water, provided that there are no creatures in it. The water unfreezes in 1 hour.
If you cast this spell multiple times, you can have no more than two of its non-instantaneous effects active at a time, and you can dismiss such an effect as an action.
I have 3 scenarios I have cooked up as an Arcane Trickster rogue to use this cantrip for cheating and forgery (detailed below):
- Cheating at cards
- Cheating at dice
- Forgery
Cheating at cards
I have a deck of blank cards. Theoretically, I can paint the cards with water and "change the water's color". With this in place, given that the other players are holding there cards within the 5x5x5-foot box, I should be able to manipulate the state of the cards simply by recasting the spell (e.g. swap an ace and a two).
Would this setup be counted as one instance of "no more than two of its non-instantaneous effects active at a time", or once per card in the deck?
Cheating at dice
I have a set of blank ivory dice: a cubic frame with six sides. I would fill the frame with water and freeze it. Using holes in place of painted dots would allow ice to show through. By coloring each hole as black or white, I could affect the number of pips shown on each side while all the water stays in continuous contact.
Assuming I'm playing with two dice, and each constitutes one instance of "no more than two of its non-instantaneous effects active at a time", would this pass even the most stringent interpretations of the shape water spell?
Forgery
I have a blank legal document - or better yet, one that has been filled out with information totally irrelevant to my use case (different name, different legal context).
Can I use shape water to paint it and overwrite some or all of the document with the intention that it reverts back to its original wording once the 1-hour duration of the spell ends?
Do I have to remain in the 30-foot range for the shaped water to remain?
I know I have asked multiple questions here, but the underlying theme is the same:
What are the limitations for using shape water for cheating and forgery?
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You may be interested in this question and — to a different question — this answer. An illustration of your "dice" would also be extremely useful. (I'm having a hard time figuring out what's meant there!)
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– Hey I Can Chan
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You might be intrested in this similar question about doing wierd things with shape water: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/122163/…
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– tox123
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A made an edit with what I think you meant with your dice idea. If you could verify that it is correct. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out (even after the image) how that idea was supposed to work. In the end I came to the fact that you fill a semi-hollow cube with water, freeze it to ice. Since the dice were blank with holes drilled into it you then change the color of the ice to show pips and in this way you get to manipulate the dice roll. Correct?
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@Rubiksmoose correct
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You may be interested in this question and — to a different question — this answer. An illustration of your "dice" would also be extremely useful. (I'm having a hard time figuring out what's meant there!)
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– Hey I Can Chan
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You might be intrested in this similar question about doing wierd things with shape water: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/122163/…
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– tox123
11 hours ago
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A made an edit with what I think you meant with your dice idea. If you could verify that it is correct. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out (even after the image) how that idea was supposed to work. In the end I came to the fact that you fill a semi-hollow cube with water, freeze it to ice. Since the dice were blank with holes drilled into it you then change the color of the ice to show pips and in this way you get to manipulate the dice roll. Correct?
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– Rubiksmoose
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@Rubiksmoose correct
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– CaffeineAddiction
11 secs ago
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You may be interested in this question and — to a different question — this answer. An illustration of your "dice" would also be extremely useful. (I'm having a hard time figuring out what's meant there!)
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– Hey I Can Chan
16 hours ago
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You may be interested in this question and — to a different question — this answer. An illustration of your "dice" would also be extremely useful. (I'm having a hard time figuring out what's meant there!)
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– Hey I Can Chan
16 hours ago
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You might be intrested in this similar question about doing wierd things with shape water: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/122163/…
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– tox123
11 hours ago
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You might be intrested in this similar question about doing wierd things with shape water: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/122163/…
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– tox123
11 hours ago
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A made an edit with what I think you meant with your dice idea. If you could verify that it is correct. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out (even after the image) how that idea was supposed to work. In the end I came to the fact that you fill a semi-hollow cube with water, freeze it to ice. Since the dice were blank with holes drilled into it you then change the color of the ice to show pips and in this way you get to manipulate the dice roll. Correct?
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– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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A made an edit with what I think you meant with your dice idea. If you could verify that it is correct. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out (even after the image) how that idea was supposed to work. In the end I came to the fact that you fill a semi-hollow cube with water, freeze it to ice. Since the dice were blank with holes drilled into it you then change the color of the ice to show pips and in this way you get to manipulate the dice roll. Correct?
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– Rubiksmoose
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@Rubiksmoose correct
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@Rubiksmoose correct
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One Line of This Spell Makes These Ideas Difficult
There is an essential phrase you (originally) left out of your description of the Shape Water cantrip (Elemental Evil Player's Companion, p. 21, bold added).
- You change the water’s color or opacity. The water must be changed in the same way throughout. This change lasts for 1 hour.
All of your ideas involve seem to involve selectively changing part of the water to one color, and other parts to another color (e.g. changing the water on the legal document to spell out different words in some places, changing the color to be white in some parts of the die and black on others, changing the water to be white on some parts of the card and red on others to represent an ace, etc.). But since "the water must be changed in the same way throughout," this would most likely be impossible.
It might be possible to write a specific message in water on a paper or card, and then turn all that water black and opaque (or clear) as you desired. But you couldn't alter the message to fit your needs. You could argue that you can "cause the water to form into simple shapes and animate" and thus rewrite the messages or cards as you see fit. But "simple shapes" tends to mean polygons (i.e. closed shapes like triangles and squares), and usually would rule out more intricate shapes like writing.
Finally, it's quite debatable whether a wet card would be considered "an area of water" (or whether a wet document would be anything other than suspicious). You've suggested (in a comment) that the card would not be wet, but covered in "a light layer of colored frost." Note, however, that the spell does not give you the ability to melt ice, but only to freeze water. And ice cannot be moved or altered in appearance or shape by this spell: only water.
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What are the limitations for using shape water for cheating and forgery?
The limitations are:
Maintaining line of sight and a clear path to the water.
Having water available to manipulate and not a dry color.
Being able to somehow hide your spellcasting from those that could discern what you are doing.
Following a strict adherence to the allowed uses of the spell enumerated in its description.
Other considerations:
Your uses of shape water are imaginative, though I imagine one does not roll dice or play cards with wet surfaces.
You shape water with that spell, not evaporated colors; are your play surfaces still damp?
Spells are not necessarily subtle, unless you are using the sorcerer's Subtle Spell metamagic. This would imply there is a good chance that someone will be on to you and your cheating.
You would have to cast this spell presumably more than once to continue to manipulate the water to your liking.
It is not immediately clear that shape water can manipulate ice or frost; you would have to wait for it to melt or dismiss that as an Action.
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One Line of This Spell Makes These Ideas Difficult
There is an essential phrase you (originally) left out of your description of the Shape Water cantrip (Elemental Evil Player's Companion, p. 21, bold added).
- You change the water’s color or opacity. The water must be changed in the same way throughout. This change lasts for 1 hour.
All of your ideas involve seem to involve selectively changing part of the water to one color, and other parts to another color (e.g. changing the water on the legal document to spell out different words in some places, changing the color to be white in some parts of the die and black on others, changing the water to be white on some parts of the card and red on others to represent an ace, etc.). But since "the water must be changed in the same way throughout," this would most likely be impossible.
It might be possible to write a specific message in water on a paper or card, and then turn all that water black and opaque (or clear) as you desired. But you couldn't alter the message to fit your needs. You could argue that you can "cause the water to form into simple shapes and animate" and thus rewrite the messages or cards as you see fit. But "simple shapes" tends to mean polygons (i.e. closed shapes like triangles and squares), and usually would rule out more intricate shapes like writing.
Finally, it's quite debatable whether a wet card would be considered "an area of water" (or whether a wet document would be anything other than suspicious). You've suggested (in a comment) that the card would not be wet, but covered in "a light layer of colored frost." Note, however, that the spell does not give you the ability to melt ice, but only to freeze water. And ice cannot be moved or altered in appearance or shape by this spell: only water.
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One Line of This Spell Makes These Ideas Difficult
There is an essential phrase you (originally) left out of your description of the Shape Water cantrip (Elemental Evil Player's Companion, p. 21, bold added).
- You change the water’s color or opacity. The water must be changed in the same way throughout. This change lasts for 1 hour.
All of your ideas involve seem to involve selectively changing part of the water to one color, and other parts to another color (e.g. changing the water on the legal document to spell out different words in some places, changing the color to be white in some parts of the die and black on others, changing the water to be white on some parts of the card and red on others to represent an ace, etc.). But since "the water must be changed in the same way throughout," this would most likely be impossible.
It might be possible to write a specific message in water on a paper or card, and then turn all that water black and opaque (or clear) as you desired. But you couldn't alter the message to fit your needs. You could argue that you can "cause the water to form into simple shapes and animate" and thus rewrite the messages or cards as you see fit. But "simple shapes" tends to mean polygons (i.e. closed shapes like triangles and squares), and usually would rule out more intricate shapes like writing.
Finally, it's quite debatable whether a wet card would be considered "an area of water" (or whether a wet document would be anything other than suspicious). You've suggested (in a comment) that the card would not be wet, but covered in "a light layer of colored frost." Note, however, that the spell does not give you the ability to melt ice, but only to freeze water. And ice cannot be moved or altered in appearance or shape by this spell: only water.
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One Line of This Spell Makes These Ideas Difficult
There is an essential phrase you (originally) left out of your description of the Shape Water cantrip (Elemental Evil Player's Companion, p. 21, bold added).
- You change the water’s color or opacity. The water must be changed in the same way throughout. This change lasts for 1 hour.
All of your ideas involve seem to involve selectively changing part of the water to one color, and other parts to another color (e.g. changing the water on the legal document to spell out different words in some places, changing the color to be white in some parts of the die and black on others, changing the water to be white on some parts of the card and red on others to represent an ace, etc.). But since "the water must be changed in the same way throughout," this would most likely be impossible.
It might be possible to write a specific message in water on a paper or card, and then turn all that water black and opaque (or clear) as you desired. But you couldn't alter the message to fit your needs. You could argue that you can "cause the water to form into simple shapes and animate" and thus rewrite the messages or cards as you see fit. But "simple shapes" tends to mean polygons (i.e. closed shapes like triangles and squares), and usually would rule out more intricate shapes like writing.
Finally, it's quite debatable whether a wet card would be considered "an area of water" (or whether a wet document would be anything other than suspicious). You've suggested (in a comment) that the card would not be wet, but covered in "a light layer of colored frost." Note, however, that the spell does not give you the ability to melt ice, but only to freeze water. And ice cannot be moved or altered in appearance or shape by this spell: only water.
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One Line of This Spell Makes These Ideas Difficult
There is an essential phrase you (originally) left out of your description of the Shape Water cantrip (Elemental Evil Player's Companion, p. 21, bold added).
- You change the water’s color or opacity. The water must be changed in the same way throughout. This change lasts for 1 hour.
All of your ideas involve seem to involve selectively changing part of the water to one color, and other parts to another color (e.g. changing the water on the legal document to spell out different words in some places, changing the color to be white in some parts of the die and black on others, changing the water to be white on some parts of the card and red on others to represent an ace, etc.). But since "the water must be changed in the same way throughout," this would most likely be impossible.
It might be possible to write a specific message in water on a paper or card, and then turn all that water black and opaque (or clear) as you desired. But you couldn't alter the message to fit your needs. You could argue that you can "cause the water to form into simple shapes and animate" and thus rewrite the messages or cards as you see fit. But "simple shapes" tends to mean polygons (i.e. closed shapes like triangles and squares), and usually would rule out more intricate shapes like writing.
Finally, it's quite debatable whether a wet card would be considered "an area of water" (or whether a wet document would be anything other than suspicious). You've suggested (in a comment) that the card would not be wet, but covered in "a light layer of colored frost." Note, however, that the spell does not give you the ability to melt ice, but only to freeze water. And ice cannot be moved or altered in appearance or shape by this spell: only water.
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What are the limitations for using shape water for cheating and forgery?
The limitations are:
Maintaining line of sight and a clear path to the water.
Having water available to manipulate and not a dry color.
Being able to somehow hide your spellcasting from those that could discern what you are doing.
Following a strict adherence to the allowed uses of the spell enumerated in its description.
Other considerations:
Your uses of shape water are imaginative, though I imagine one does not roll dice or play cards with wet surfaces.
You shape water with that spell, not evaporated colors; are your play surfaces still damp?
Spells are not necessarily subtle, unless you are using the sorcerer's Subtle Spell metamagic. This would imply there is a good chance that someone will be on to you and your cheating.
You would have to cast this spell presumably more than once to continue to manipulate the water to your liking.
It is not immediately clear that shape water can manipulate ice or frost; you would have to wait for it to melt or dismiss that as an Action.
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What are the limitations for using shape water for cheating and forgery?
The limitations are:
Maintaining line of sight and a clear path to the water.
Having water available to manipulate and not a dry color.
Being able to somehow hide your spellcasting from those that could discern what you are doing.
Following a strict adherence to the allowed uses of the spell enumerated in its description.
Other considerations:
Your uses of shape water are imaginative, though I imagine one does not roll dice or play cards with wet surfaces.
You shape water with that spell, not evaporated colors; are your play surfaces still damp?
Spells are not necessarily subtle, unless you are using the sorcerer's Subtle Spell metamagic. This would imply there is a good chance that someone will be on to you and your cheating.
You would have to cast this spell presumably more than once to continue to manipulate the water to your liking.
It is not immediately clear that shape water can manipulate ice or frost; you would have to wait for it to melt or dismiss that as an Action.
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What are the limitations for using shape water for cheating and forgery?
The limitations are:
Maintaining line of sight and a clear path to the water.
Having water available to manipulate and not a dry color.
Being able to somehow hide your spellcasting from those that could discern what you are doing.
Following a strict adherence to the allowed uses of the spell enumerated in its description.
Other considerations:
Your uses of shape water are imaginative, though I imagine one does not roll dice or play cards with wet surfaces.
You shape water with that spell, not evaporated colors; are your play surfaces still damp?
Spells are not necessarily subtle, unless you are using the sorcerer's Subtle Spell metamagic. This would imply there is a good chance that someone will be on to you and your cheating.
You would have to cast this spell presumably more than once to continue to manipulate the water to your liking.
It is not immediately clear that shape water can manipulate ice or frost; you would have to wait for it to melt or dismiss that as an Action.
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What are the limitations for using shape water for cheating and forgery?
The limitations are:
Maintaining line of sight and a clear path to the water.
Having water available to manipulate and not a dry color.
Being able to somehow hide your spellcasting from those that could discern what you are doing.
Following a strict adherence to the allowed uses of the spell enumerated in its description.
Other considerations:
Your uses of shape water are imaginative, though I imagine one does not roll dice or play cards with wet surfaces.
You shape water with that spell, not evaporated colors; are your play surfaces still damp?
Spells are not necessarily subtle, unless you are using the sorcerer's Subtle Spell metamagic. This would imply there is a good chance that someone will be on to you and your cheating.
You would have to cast this spell presumably more than once to continue to manipulate the water to your liking.
It is not immediately clear that shape water can manipulate ice or frost; you would have to wait for it to melt or dismiss that as an Action.
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You may be interested in this question and — to a different question — this answer. An illustration of your "dice" would also be extremely useful. (I'm having a hard time figuring out what's meant there!)
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– Hey I Can Chan
16 hours ago
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You might be intrested in this similar question about doing wierd things with shape water: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/122163/…
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– tox123
11 hours ago
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A made an edit with what I think you meant with your dice idea. If you could verify that it is correct. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out (even after the image) how that idea was supposed to work. In the end I came to the fact that you fill a semi-hollow cube with water, freeze it to ice. Since the dice were blank with holes drilled into it you then change the color of the ice to show pips and in this way you get to manipulate the dice roll. Correct?
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– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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@Rubiksmoose correct
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– CaffeineAddiction
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